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On Moderation
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More and more I’m drifting towards the notion that moderation isn’t as much about actual policies as it is about one’s (debating) style. There’s no such thing as inherently moderate policies. What’s a “moderate” foreign policy, for instance? Or a “moderate” economic policy? Most would probably define it as being “prudent” and pragmatic. Although that undoubtedly makes sense to many who consider themselves “moderates,” they seem to forget that both prudence and pragmatism are key characteristics of Burkean conservatism (i.e. Anglo-Saxon conservatism).

If there is one thing that the founding father of Anglo Saxon conservatism, the Brit Edmund Burke, was not, it’s an ideologue. He was a realist, a man who held a few basic beliefs, but who, above all, realized that just because something works in one country doesn’t mean it’ll also work everywhere else. As for the role of government, Burke understood that government often does more harm than good, and that man’s understanding of the consequences of his actions is always limited. Ambitious politicians, who wish to cure all of society’s ills, often accidentally also do away with all that is good and useful. To put it differently: unknowingly, they often throw out the baby with the bathwater.

At the same time, Burke certainly was not a friend of the monarchy (which would have been the traditional conservative position to hold in Burkean Britain), nor did he believe that there was no need to improve society. There was always work to be done, Burke argued, but a responsible government took its time and ensured the continuation of policies and customs that worked.

The above is Anglo Saxon (or Burkean) conservatism in a nutshell. Interestingly enough, however, it’s also how most moderates think about themselves. That’s because most of them don’t understand the nature of conservatism and because they confuse style with content.

You can be a Burkean conservatism yet use angry rhetoric to present your case. Moderation, on the other hand, requires one to be above the fray and find a middle ground between the (ideological) warring parties. It’s not about precise policies, but about the way one formulates them and how one approaches one’s opponents.

Whenever one mentions “moderation” or “moderates,” then, let’s keep in mind that what they’re really (should be) talking about is your style, not your beliefs.

  1. Michael_Merritt
    There’s no such thing as inherently moderate policies.
    You're right, there's no such thing as that. Very rarely are political policies exactly middle of the road. Personally, I see ideologies as gradating into one another, rather than there being a solid stop right at the middle. However, there does tend to be a society accepted definition of what is "moderate" that changes with the political winds. To use an example from my own country, the idea of a woman voting was quite considered quite radical circa 1850. By 1920, when the 19th Amendment was enacted, it was well on its way to becoming accepted across the U.S. (much in the same way gay marriage started its path across the states in the 2000s). Today womens' suffrage is the conservative position, with its moderate phase having passed some decades ago. There are even sub-culturally accepted definitions. Radicals of political parties, with their equally skewed views of reality, tend to believe that those who may be considered moderate by the larger society are in fact radicals as well. This is why we see so many attempts to eject moderates out of their respective parties. This is also why we some folks to Barack Obama's left consider him to "really be a Republican" and some folks John McCain's right consider him to "really be a Democrat." As the definition of what is moderate changes with the mood of a society, some policies may take longer to reach the "moderate" stage, or may never reach it. Though it has perhaps grudging tolerance, to be pro-abortion/pro-choice still remains quite the radical position.
  2. Posted by Michael vd Galien
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    Michael vd Galien Exactly Michael, but that's basically proving my point that it's not about individual policies, but about one's approach to politics, and one's (debating) style.
  3. Posted by Lee Thomas
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    Lee Thomas People have passion when it comes to politics and religion. It is pretty hard to be a moderate. To me moderate means ambivalent. For example I do not care who wins the next formula one race because I am not interested in formula one racing. I do not care who wins the world cup because soccer is of NO importance to me. So if one says pick one.......Germany or Poland to win the world cup....I would flip a coin because I do not care, I have no passion and I am ambivalent to the outcome. Turning to politics I am centrist on abortion. Personal story here to illustrate my point. My daughter just had a 6 lb baby boy. During her pregnancy the ultra sound techs were telling her it was going to be a dwarf. That there were problems. That it might have downs syndrome and that they were going to have a special needs child. We were all crushed. The question came up about abortion. I am opposed to abortion in almost all incidences. They asked me what I thought. I told them that I was opposed to abortion but that I understand that it is THEY who have to live for the rest of their lives with a special needs child. IN other words I said that while I opposed abortion I would not disown them for choosing abortion but that I felt the boy deserved a chance at life.....etc..etc. In the end they decided to have the baby and he turned out to have NO problems, be perfectly healthy and doing just fine. It appears it was the way he was laying in the womb that had them all confused about his size etc. Long story short. I was not a moderate on abortion. I am fiercely opposed to abortion. I am a centrist because I believe that people have to make those choices themselves and that its not my right to tell people what to believe or what to do. But in my heart I am not a moderate. I am a centrist because the choice is yours and not mine while personally maintaining a vast disdain for abortion.
    • Michael_Merritt
      To me moderate means ambivalent.
      Not necessarily. You may care deeply about a subject of debate, but your position is just less extreme than another, based on the culturally accepted definition of what is moderate/extreme for that particular subject.
      I am a centrist because I believe that people have to make those choices themselves and that its not my right to tell people what to believe or what to do.
      Our positions match on this, personally and politically. I would actually call it a social libertarian view on abortion, though by no means do all libertarians see the issue the same way. That doesn't mean you yourself have to support it, but the view is that the government has no right to ban it.
  4. Posted by Lee Thomas
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    Lee Thomas What is dangerous about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents. - Robert F. Kennedy Perhaps we are discussing semantics of the subject but I have always maintained that their are no moderates in politics. Only centrists. Moderate...........to lessen the intensity or extremeness of Centrist...........a person who holds moderate views Sort of funny don't you agree? A moderate is not an extremist and a Centrist is a moderate. In other words the definition of both are extremely hard to pin down. Much as politics its about feel and emotion rather then pragmatism and reality. As Bobby indicated in the quote above........The problems come because of emotion that illicits verbal exchanges and not because of intellectual honesty.