Michael_Merritt He said he would have voted for it. He should make that point clear, but explain his objections to the provisions, and why he objects to them.

Lee Thomas Mr. Paul will have a very hard time convincing the population of Ky. to vote for him come November. He is a libertarian and by and large most libertarians have views that are just hard to swallow. One website that I have visited the owner claims that it should be the persons right to....."Drive 100mph thru a school zone, drinking whiskey and snorting cocaine while firing his assault gun out the window" As long as no one gets hurt. If someone gets hurt then they are of course subject to being hung. Additionally they believe its everyones right to have multiple wives.....etc...etc. The problem with Mr. Paul is that his father has a small district to try and influence with his libertarian views and he succeeds and gets elected. Mr. Paul has an entire state to try and convince and I think its going to be much harder, especially since the left sees an opportunity to go after Rand Paul much as the right is going after Nancy Pelosi and more to the point. Harry Reid. Both sides use Rovian or Alinsky tactics and right now Rand Paul is going to suffer a barage of attacks from all across the nation as the left tries to discredit the entire right, the tea party movement and to paint all Conservatives on the right as Rand Paul clones. Thats politics. The GOP has Rand Paul in their roost now. They are going to need to get together with this guy and make some changes to his message or else the entire GOP could go down the tubes over Rand Paul cause lets face it. Libertarianism is fringe. At least to current America and while I agree with many of its tenets it requires scholars to understand where they are coming from. In a world of sound bites, Libertarianism is doomed to get the short end of the stick.

Lee Thomas As a conservative I can make my case in sound bytes. Lower taxes. Smaller government. Strong borders. Strong national defense. Pro life. Religious freedom. Sound byte populism. In a world of sound bytes there just is not enough time to put forth your argument if you are a libertarian. I am not trashing Libertarians. I am playing the devils advocate and pointing out what has always been their weakness. That weakness is that they cannot put their beliefs into sound byte populism and have it make sense. It takes efforts to understand people like Rand Paul or Ron Paul. You have to understand their basic concept of the 10th amendment and an extremely limited view of the feds ability to take over every aspect of our lives. The point that the Gun Toting Liberal who claims to be a libertarian and who affirmed his believes in what I posted above is that it should not be the federal governments duty to tell us what we can and cannot do if what we are doing does not affect anyone else. When I objected to me he points out that their are many different types of libertarians and that he happens to be a Liberal big L and libertarian small l. Whatever that means. Once again I have to spend hours of debate trying to understand what it is he is trying to say whenever he starts espousing his version of libertarianism. In the months of discussions with him I have grown to understand just as there are many different philosophies within the Conservative or Liberal movements, so to are there just as many differing views within the libertarian community.

Jeb Paul and other libertarians argue that market forces would have ended segregation and other inequities that the CRA addressed. The problem with the libertarian argument here is that it ignores the reality of the time. Market forces could possibly have impacted large companies operating in the South due to pressure from outside the region. That would have meant though that those companies would not have been able to do business in the South. The vast majority of white customers would have ceased to be customers and in many cases there would be mobs with axe handles to enforce what the law would not and the police would have done nothing to stop it.

Interested whew, forgive me if there are several posts - I was laughing so hard after jeb's comments. jeb - do you not see the obvious ignorant view of reality that you just mentioned?