2012 May 22 |
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sunProfessor Bainbridge points to the latest example of insufferable arrogance from environmental extremists:

Environmental group Friends of the Earth, meanwhile, criticised the Top Gear team claiming it appeared to have gone out of its way to be as crass and juvenile as possible. … The wrecking of vehicles for the show has not impressed Friends of the Earth campaigner Declan Allison.

“The wanton destruction of tens of thousands of pounds worth of machinery impresses no-one. It’s a wasteful extravagance and, in the middle of a global recession, in very poor taste,” he said.

In the broader picture, what is really annoying about the environmental purist movement is not just their utter incapacity to allow anyone to enjoy anything without a ritualistic expression of guilt for, you know, continuing to breathe and pollute the Earth with carbon dioxide. Rather, it is the legitimate suspicion that these people actually want to ruin everyone’s lives. Bainbridge’s quote from Jeremy Clarkson is indicative, but only gestures at the deeper problem:

Recently, Boris Johnson jokingly wondered what had happened to all those Trots and Bolsheviks from the 1970s. Boris, my dear chap, they never went away. And now there are many more of them, living among us, posing as normal, respectable members of the human race. It’s just that they’re not called Trots and Bolsheviks any more. They’re called environmentalists and health and safety officers. Think about it. A single health and safety man can inflict more damage on business and industry than an army of Red Robboes. And the goals of an environmentalist far exceed the aspirations of even the most hardbitten 1970s communist.

The real problem is indicated by that last line — the real goals of environmentalist extremists. Of course, to read their self-promotional materials, one would think they were merely interested in conservation — maintaining some wildlife and a few natural areas. Who could really condemn such noble goals?

But the real goals revealed by their patterns of behavior are far more malicious. Consider that the construction costs of every single factory and power plant are now dramatically inflated by the inevitable and protracted litigation forced by environmental groups that are never, ever satisfied with measures taken to mitigate environmental impacts. Given the fact that they object to every single site for every single major development project, the conclusion that they really oppose all development is inescapable. Their claims to only object to this or that particular element in each particular case is revealed as a sham pretty quickly when you look at the broader pattern of environmentalist behavior.

So how does wanting to protect the environment hurt people? Well, when they obstruct and delay road construction projects, they perpetuate unemployment and perpetuate problems of traffic congestion. (Ironically, this also increases pollution because of drivers sitting idle in congested traffic.) When they obstruct the construction of power plants, they raise the prospects of brownouts, with the attendant danger to life and safety that results. When they obstruct the construction of refineries, they raise gasoline prices and drive the working poor who can no longer afford to commute into unemployment. When they obstruct the construction of nuclear power plants, they perpetuate the dependence on oil. The bill of particulars goes on and on and on and on. The consistent theme is that environmentalist extremists don’t care about people and they don’t really even care about the environment.

They care about fighting and winning a war against modern industrial society. That’s it. They are the post-modern avatars of the Dark Ages.

Or maybe they just want to feel morally superior at any cost.

  1. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed The radicals went underground. They became professors and congressmen and senators and Presidents. The AGW has always been agenda driven. The problem is that these radicals have an agenda and are not afraid to use it to destroy careers and intimidate scientists in order to pass cap and trade type legislation which is going to penalize America to the point that millions of jobs are going to be transferred overseas to developing nations. Cap and trade is these whacko's wet dream. It is also the single piece of legislation that will destroy America as the economic super power while we stand by helplessly watching millions of jobs lost to overseas developing nations. A quote from Gordon Brown....“Europe is making three conditional offers – money on the table, saying we will do everything we can to make a climate change agreement happen, and help for developing countries into that agreement. Pay attention to the last part of the sentence...this is what AGW IS ALL ABOUT....
  2. Patrick Glenn Excellent piece, Jason. When the environmental extremist fight against seemingly every major development and infrastructure project, they often have a lot of allies: owners of property in the vicinity of the site (NIMBY = Not In My Backyard); local and state planners, non-profit groups, competing development/business interests, historic preservation advocates, etc. The environmental extremists have been effective at portraying their causes as noble - ie. moral high road - when their actions usually cause more harm than good, and benefit a lot of people who are only along for the (self-interested) ride. It is essential to every American's future - regardless of political orientation - that the stealth hard-leftist agendas are exposed for what they are - that their moral high ground is destroyed (as I'm sure you know from experience, when these enviro-leftists think you're "one of them," they let their masks slip, and let you in on their deeper aspirations). Anyway, we need more scholarly investigations exposing from where these people are really coming. Then, they can make genuine, undisguised cases for their agenda items, and let the chips fall as they may. I suspect that many aspects of the "environmentalist" agenda - as well as other currents of the larger liberal/progressive project - would still hold resonance with many non-leftists, but the policy debates - and the results - would be much more fruitful for everyone.
  3. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed "This suite of policies will take China to be the world leader on addressing climate change," Yvo De Boer, executive secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change, told reporters on Monday. Anyone notice something funny about this sentence?
  4. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    Given the fact that they object to every single site for every single major development project
    That is a mighty sweeping statement and one that I am guessing that you cannot back up. You can likely find people who call themselves environmentalists that think the way you indicate, but they are a small minority within a minority. Is it fair to characterize all businesses as rapacious environmental destroyers because some exhibit no care for the environment and prefer to dump dangerous toxins into local aquifers and pay the fines if caught rather than putting controls in place to limit or eliminate the release of those toxins? If your answer is no, as I assume it is, then your position here lacks consistency.
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    Jason Arvak
    That is a mighty sweeping statement
    It was sweeping. I stand behind it, because I have found that environmentalism has at its core not mere conservation but rather active hostility to modern industrialism and capitalism. It is an extremist ideology in sheep's clothing (or at least way too much hemp clothing). All you need to do to disprove me is find a single major development project (a power plant or refinery, preferably) that environmentalist groups have not attempted to block, Jeb. If it is as easy to prove your side's innocence as you claim, perhaps you would take the highly unusual (for you) step of actually using substance instead of just critique.
  6. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb As an analogue. Can you find me a single wetlands in the US that does not have a developer that is attempting to fill it in. Is it the intent of developers to destroy all of our wetlands? They have filled in better than 90% so far. That some group calling itself environmentalist can be found to oppose anything does not mean that environmentalists as some supposed monolithic whole oppose all development. Similarly it is no reasonable to claim that developers as some supposed monolithic whole are bent on the destruction of all wetlands.
  7. Posted by Tully
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    Tully As an analogue. Can you find me a single wetlands in the US that does not have a developer that is attempting to fill it in. Yep. And pretty much most all of the non-mountainous bits of Alaska. Is it the intent of developers to destroy all of our wetlands? They have filled in better than 90% so far. That's not even remotely close to true. Gee, I don't know why Jason doubts your veracity and intent. Total wetland loss over the last TWO CENTURIES is estimated at roughly 50% in the lower 48, less than 1% in Alaska. The biggest source of wetlands loss is not to commercial/residential development, but to agricultural use, mostly in the Mississippi and Missouri River basins. The greatest loss rate of wetlands occured last century during the 1950's through 1970's, and the rate of loss has been declining ever since.
  8. Posted by Tully
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    Tully Oh, and to add: The wetlands loss of that period last century was due in MAJOR part to concerted flood control efforts in the Miss/Mo Basins by the federal government itself, not to developers.
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    Jason Arvak And Jeb responds to a call that for once he himself actually defend a positions by....refusing to do so and asking another question trying to shift the burden entirely on to everyone else. AGAIN. Lame, Jeb, lame. Even moreso since your attempt to reverse is so easily defeated. I live in Minnesota which, according to the federal definition of "wetlands" is pretty much entirely comprised of wetlands. And since there are many areas of this state where there is standing water which no developer is trying to drain and fill in, I respond to your illegitimately shifted burden of proof by offering into evidence the entire state of Minnesota. Now, would you please stop ducking and weaving and defend a substantive position of your own? Or are you incapable of that?
    Your one sided view of the intellectual honesty of debate in the modern American political context is perplexing.
    A one-sided view is inevitable when the other side -- yours in this forum -- refuses to ever present anything of its own and tries to hide behind empty critique and insubstantial and vague platitudes.
  10. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb Oops, I left out a very important word, coastal. Again, I wish there was a preview feature here. I was referring to coastal wetlands. In all states where I have lived 85%+ of coastal wetlands have been drained and the vast majority of that has been subsequently developed. And yes Tully, once wetlands have been given protected status (National Parks etc) then developers and others are prevented from draining them and so interest by developers wanes. And agriculture is development. And the government drained the lands primarily to allow for development (next in line were early attempts at disease prevention).
    The greatest loss rate of wetlands occurred last century during the 1950’s through 1970’s, and the rate of loss has been declining ever since.
    If looking at all wetlands we are actually gaining. This is not true of coastal wetlands that at least from 1998-2004 (the last reporting) were still being removed at a rate of 59,000 acres a year. The decline in rate of loss of coastal wetlands and the return of some other wetlands is primarily due to environmental regulations largely brought about by pressure from environmentalists. We have clean air and water standards largely because of pressure from environmentalists. We have an EPA largely because of pressure from environmentalists. Some minority of any politically active group will go to far. That one can find members of that minority is not proof of the intent of the larger group. Attempting to use the excesses of a minority of environmentalists to tar the entire group is akin to seeing a smattering of rebel flags at a tea party protest and concluding that the entire lot are racists. Neither position is fair to the broader group. BTW Some environmentalists go to far and a disconcerting number of them are scientifically ignorant, but that is also true of their political opposition. Back to the original comment from friends of the earth that prompted this post. The Top Gear team undoubtedly went "out of its way to be as crass and juvenile as possible." That was the point and that was what made the event fun for those who attended and it certainly was a "wanton destruction of tens of thousands of pounds worth of machinery" which again was integral to the fun had by those attending. That an environmental group finds this activity wasteful and destructive should surprise no one but neither is it evidence of malicious intent. They are simply registering their opinion. Other groups regularly make similar critiques of Hollywood, accusing it of among other things of destroying the moral character of the US or even the Western World. Are they also insufferably arrogant or are they simply stating their opinions? Another question I know.
    A one-sided view is inevitable when the other side — yours in this forum — refuses to ever present anything of its own and tries to hide behind empty critique and insubstantial and vague platitudes.
    Yes because no progressives/liberals present any ideas of their own. That is the province of conservatives.
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    Jason Arvak Ok, now in your continuing effort to never defend a position of your own or respond substantively to anything, you've retreated to the well-hoed excuse of "well, the other side does bad things too". That excuse doesn't even work for 5-year-olds, Jeb. It does not absolve you of your burden of rejoinder here. You continue to provide an exemplar of lameness in your inability to substantively engage an argument. I don't buy for a second that protection of coastal wetlands is the fundamental underlying goal of the environmentalist movement. I don't buy it because their opposition to ALL major development projects is consistent across the board geographically. They simply oppose EVERY refinery, EVERY power plant, etc, etc, etc. The details of which location is being "threatened" by a particular project vary widely, the ONLY thing that is consistent is the blanket opposition to ALL development. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that their real target is the limitation or extermination of capitalist industrialism as a whole. That is the only interpretation consistent with ALL the broader pattern of environmentalists' behavior for the last several decades.
  12. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    I don’t buy for a second that protection of coastal wetlands is the fundamental underlying goal of the environmentalist movement.
    No, it is a goal not the goal. The goal broadly stated is to preserve ecosystems, natural spaces where we don't live, and environmental quality for the places where we do live. There is a wide array of positions on what this constitutes among environmentalists. For a small minority it means nothing new. For some it is a convenient excuse when the real objection is NIMBY (which is why you can find a nominally environmental objection to most projects) and for most it is much harder to pin down. Environmentalism and environmentalists are far from monolithic and the goals of the vast majority are just what they say they are as is true of most political groups on the left and on the right.
    Ok, now in your continuing effort to never defend a position of your own or respond substantively to anything, you’ve retreated to the well-hoed excuse of “well, the other side does bad things too”.
    No. My argument is that a majority of both sides is arguing their position honestly and that a minority (often a loud one) acts badly and that it is unfair to characterize either group by the excesses of the minority. The argument on that front as I see it is: Commenter A: I have found a subset of group X that displays this negative behavior Y. Therefor all of group X is characterized by Y. Commenter B: But a subset of opposition group A also displays negative behavior Y. Does that indicate that all of group A is characterized by Y as well. Commenter A: Stop making excuses.
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    Doomed Nice try Jeb. The real truth is that while subset a-z might all have differing methods in approaching environmental problems the entire set is one. Meaning that their goals all converge into a commonality that is focused on the main goal of preserving the environment. When group a does one thing that group b does not advocate doing, group b does not step in and stop group a from doing their thing because in the long run it is something that will benefit their movement. Think of your groups as the members of a football team. They all have the goal of scoring or stopping the other team from scoring. While the quarterback does not have the same job as the guard, they both have the same goal. So to is the environmental movement. You can go on for years, nit picking with logic 101 but it does not alter the fact that the ultimate goal of environmentalists is to save the environment....that might mean 26 different things....but the end result still gets you to some abstract meaning.
  14. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    Meaning that their goals all converge into a commonality that is focused on the main goal of preserving the environment.
    But they see what it means to "preserve the environment" differently. The fact that it means 26, 100, or more different things among environmentalists matters, particularly when attempting to attribute (nefarious) motivation to an assumed monolithic whole.
  15. Posted by Tully
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    Tully You can go on for years, nit picking with logic 101 Actually he specializes in Logical Fallacies 101, especially the avoidance of grappling with core points by diverting to irrelevancies and side issues, making new claims when his old ones are shown to be blatantly false, and accusing any opposing conversants of bad faith or an inability to grasp his points (a form of projection, that).