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obama unemploymentOh no, who would have thought. Shortly after it was announced that the 10-year deficit will be $2 trillion higher than the White House predicted a few months ago, the Congressional Budget Office says that next year’s unemployment will also be higher.

2.3 million more people will be unemployed. That means that the average unemployment rate next year is 10.2%.

CBO and OMB project a weaker economy in the remainder of 2009 and in 2010 than they projected at the beginning of this year before enactment of the stimulus.

How much weaker?

Based on CBO’s forecast for the average unemployment rate in calendar year 2010, 2.3 million fewer people will be employed on average next year than they projected in January.

That’s bad news for Americans, of course, but rather good news for Europeans. Especially for fiscal conservative Europeans.

Why, you ask? Simple; it’ll give us something to work with. Whenever European far-left parties and politicians cook up idiotic plans for the economy that – as usual – involve expanding the size of government, we can tell voters to look at the United States and say “is that what you want? Didn’t think so.”

In a way that means that Obama has accomplished something: he’s teaching us how not to do it. Thanks Barack!

  1. Posted by Interested
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    Interested ha! Yes I'm so glad we got that bailout, massive debt spending that makes Bush look fiscally conservative - but wait now there's - bailout for refrigerators (not kidding) Coming to a horror show this fall. (sneak peek - it's even worse than the cash for clunkers)
  2. Michael van der Galien Interested: and the worst thing? We all said this months ago. We all saw this coming. Un.be.lie.va.ble.
  3. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed This recession is about on par with the 1980's recession under Reagan. It has the same basic dynamics. Fortunately I think, the unemployment will not hit 12-15 percent as I predicted thanks to massive government spending and bailouts. However in the end this is going to be a prolonged recession because of government policies of interdicting and putting bandaids on the bleeding instead of letting the economy scab over and repair themselves. Dems had a golden opportunity to get what they wanted and prove to Americans they had what it took to run this country. 1. Extend unemployment benefits for 2 years. 2. Extend FREE insurance for 2 years to all those who become uninsured. Or rather simply paying their cobra payments. 3. The rest of this Facist bridge building crap can go to hell. Cost...much less then the exorbitant spending promised by congress. In the end it would continue to pump money directly into the economy and it would have done exactly what recessions need done. Have time to pay down our debt so we can start borrowing again. but alas....the democrats.....well you know the rest of the story.
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  5. Posted by Interested
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    Interested what we'll be facing Doomed - is the late 70's version of high inflation, high unemployment and massively high interest rates.
  6. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed Interested. Acorn's stated goal is to bankrupt the country by essentially throwing so many demands upon the nation that they are unable to meet them. Enter and ACORN community organizer...you know...Barak Obama. Enter 9 trillion in new deficits with no end in sight. Enter health care. Cap and Trade. Supposed Green Jobs. Taking over General Motors, AIG, Banks. Enter printing money. Buying back our own debt. Enter grovelling at the feet of the Chinese for more loans. And the Conservatives are evil for wanting simple tax cuts.
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    Jason Arvak
    Acorn’s stated goal is to bankrupt the country by essentially throwing so many demands upon the nation that they are unable to meet them.
    I'd be interested in seeing the proof of this claim.
  8. Posted by Interested
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    Interested I doubt you'd find it quite so cut and dry as that. But on ACORNS own website they proudly speak of the time they encouraged illegal activities - then petitioned local gov't to cough up funds to make those committing the illegal acts more comfortable. On a humanitarian basis of course.
  9. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed http://www.lonelyconservative.com/2009/05/28/glenn-beck-on-acorn-cloward-piven-and-barack-obama/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519834,00.html Glen Beck is the only one investigating this it seems. Additionally read the above interview with 2 board members and then remember this statement: Taken from Acorn's own site: Finally, ACORN® began playing the insiders' game in American politics. Congressional lobbying is practiced by ACORN® staff. Leaders and members became a central part of the insiders' games, too. Members elected to office or serving on APACs acquire experience and skill applying power from the inside of the political process. http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=2748 stringing together the interwoven web that Acorn has put into place and looking at the effectiveness of Barak Obama and Caucus win after Caucus win one can see the power that this grassroots organization had in putting their own man in the White House.
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    Jason Arvak So, no evidence at all in support of the assertion that "Acorn's [sic] stated goal is to bankrupt the country". Got it. :rolleyes:
  11. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed I remember there were only a couple reporters investigating the Watergate break in for a long time when no one else cared. Caucus win after Caucus Win. How did he manage this against the Clinton Machine? From there own website: Other, less noted, but still important, political developments also occurred during the 80's. ACORN learned the lessons of the Quorum Court and referenda issues in several states well. ACORN is the nation’s largest grassroots community organization of low- and moderate-income people with over 400,000 member families organized into more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in 110 cities across the country. Additionally remember that Clownan and Piven were invited to the signing by Bill Clinton of the Welfare overhaul. Why is that you suppose? Also remember that it is in no small way understood and accepted that The Rainbow coalition helped to defeat the democratic candidates in 1980,84 and 88. That in 1992 Bill Clinton begged Jesse Jackson to remain silent and he would take care of them. Remember how both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and even the democratic supporters of Clintons were so outraged over how things were transpiring during the primaries? From their own site: The big test for the APACs was the 1984 presidential election. While no one considered supporting the Republicans, questions arose as to which Democratic candidate to support for the nomination......No candidate reached that level, though there was strong support for Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow Coalition. The organization was founded by Wade Radke. The work in progress is molded after Clowan and Piven who wrote the manual on how Acorn was to function. Which is to throw so many crisis at the American people that they cannot cope. http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12341&L=0%3Fid%3D8144 Remember the furor when Obama took office? CRISIS...CRISIS...CATASTROPHE...SERIOUS...everything was a crisis. STIMULUS was a crisis. SWine Flu is a crisis. Everything that happens is a crisis. No evidence? If your looking for a mission statement that says "We intend to bankrupt America" then you are right. There is no mission statement of such. But just as Watergate aroused some suspicions but 99.9 percent of the press and the people were satisfied with the official explanations...I believe strongly that Acorn fits into the mold of Watergate and will continue to point fingers at their movement. Remember I fully believe that ACORN has a right to exist and that they do indeed do good things for their members. I do not believe they should be disbanded or discriminated against. But to understand why all that is going on with Obama and this incessant far left legislation one needs to understand the roots. The Roots to this is ACORN...understanding Acorn gives us incite into where this is all going.
  12. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C @Doomed "No evidence? If your looking for a mission statement that says “We intend to bankrupt America” then you are right. There is no mission statement of such." I'm with you Doomed / Interested.. there is no out and out evidence other than the information like that which you provided above. To me, it is more the legitimate bold questions that nobody wants to answer, or even have heard. And we may be loons, and wrong, but a couple things. Accusations this huge, by folks like Glenn Beck should either 1) prompt these organizations to cry foul, and show why they are crying foul to shut down Beck with proof he is wrong (as Beck has asked them repeatedly to try to do), or 2) at least have the rest of the media look into these accusations to make Beck look like a fool (which Beck has also pleaded repeatedly for the Media to do) neither has happened. With no response from either on these groups, these accustaions just fester (regardless if they are right or wrong)
  13. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C @Michael van der Galien "and the worst thing? We all said this months ago. We all saw this coming. Un.be.lie.va.ble." I guess this is where they insert the standard.. "eh, everybody gets lucky once in a while" huh? I wish we weren't so lucky...
  14. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C Whenever European far-left parties and politicians cook up idiotic plans for the economy that – as usual – involve expanding the size of government, we can tell voters to look at the United States and say “is that what you want? Didn’t think so.” Glad we through this stimulus money in the crapper... Yet another footnote for Europe on "how not to do things..." http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iNTUFCbZuSHnu19FT7SeuzXlzrLwD9AAO5HG2 Would this money be better spent on the border with Mexico, naw... and the beat goes on... Enough! STOP with the backwards decisionmaking processes!
  15. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed Notice also that the states really benefitting from these stimulus pet projects are Democratic states. Laredo is desperate for money. They are in Texas. Texas said no to Obama. Texas has a GOP leader. GWB was from Texas. The Stimulus was written by the Apollo Project. The Apollo project is headed by the co founder of the Weatherman underground...you know Bill Ayers buddy. Imagine all that Stimulus money going out to their buddies. Even ACORN indirectly is receiving money which is against the law. But as long as its indirect and laws are rewritten to mollify them then its okay. The culture of corruption runs so deep with this president and the hooks in his hide are so deep that Barak Obama can only be looked upon as nothing more then a puppet for the true leaders of our nation......the backdoor, behind the scenes PACS that simply dont exist but are real never the less. If you stand against Barak Obama he personally doesnt punish you. His cronies do. Your link Jay C is the classic example of the Bipartisan Obama who wants to be president of everyone and bring civility back to the process but who quite evidently cannot stand up to his own henchmen and it is evident to me that he is not in charge of our government.
  16. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    Obama can only be looked upon as nothing more then a puppet for the true leaders of our nation……the backdoor, behind the scenes PACS that simply dont exist but are real never the less.
    Don't forget teh Illuminati. Has Obama been to Denver recently?
  17. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed I don't know Jeb. Perhaps he slipped out in the middle of the night like JFK used to have Marilyn Monroe slip into the White House in the middle of the night. AS I have stated in other places. Acorn is not a conspiracy theory. It is a well oiled machine that has been sliding into place since 1970. It is now very powerful and fully funded. And the only left response to Acorns power and influence has been much like yours and Jasons. Eye rolls and an attempt at painting it into a conspiracy. But then unlike the Bush knew 911 was happening conspiracy....Acorn is under federal investigation, its president embezzled money, past leaders are speaking out and Barney Frank is busy passing legislation to fund Acorn with Federal money. I don't know Jeb. I'll let you keep up with the Illuminati, I'm too busy investigating Acorn right now.
  18. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    I’ll let you keep up with the Illuminati, I’m too busy investigating Acorn right now.
    To-may-to, to-mah-to
  19. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed Its okay Jeb there are not too many people on the left that want to openly discuss the team that Obama has assembled that consists of avowed communists, former founders of the weathermen underground and Socialists who are the FCC diversity czars that are angry that the USA tried to stop Hugo Chavez from taking control of the media? Oh yeah and lets not forget the bill before the Senate right now that would give Obama the right to Shut down the internet if threats were perceived.
  20. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C I am somewhat releived that ACORN was kicked out working on the census. This doesn't make our claims 100% correct, but it does add to the pile of evidence to the idea that they are a corrupt. Not to get too off the subject, but since we were discussing ACORN and corruption... Here are the criteria that went into hiring Acorn as a partner for working for the census. http://mchenry.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Footnote_5.PDF Since they are out now, why not enlist the post office? This is not an original Idea, I heard of it here first.. http://chaffetz.house.gov/2009/06/census-should-partner-with-post-office-not-acorn.shtml
  21. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed Yes and don't forget the democrats attempted to distance themselves from the organization last night. A move thats surely worth another guffaw from the disbelievers who think its all a made up conspiracy by us loony toons who have the guts to continue to look into this organization.
  22. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C Interesting Doomed, we are not so alone in our thoughts that ACORN was intended to cause chaos and disrupt the system" http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/09/09/anatomy-of-a-shakedown/
  23. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb Wow even the scrupuously non-partisan Hot Air thinks that there is a conspiracy. It must be true. There was/is certainly some corruption within the organization, but the claims of grand conspiracy seem excessive when simple mismanagement, poor training, and rapid growth provide the simplest answer.
    Here are the criteria that went into hiring Acorn as a partner for working for the census.
    and #3 got them. I can't say that I'm all that upset about them being removed from the project. Regardless of how well or poorly they did the job or how large or small their contribution, controversy would surround the count* simply because of their participation. * Likely there will still be some controversy surrounding the count regardless of how clean and accurate it may be.
  24. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C conspiracy? no conspiracy..but a disturbing trend... Have 4 different offices, on video, offering the same flavor of illegal advice has to make you wonder what is going on. If I walk into 4 different offices of any non-profit (take your pick) I seriously doubt that I could get any of them on camera giving out the same sort of shady, illegal advice. Be honest with yourself Jeb. How many more like this do we have to see? what is the threshold that would meet your critera? To most americans (and apparently to congress) 3 was enough.. along with the previous history before these video tapings
  25. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C for it to be a conspiracy, I would think it would have to be some sort of "secret plan or agreement" between two or more people to commit an illegal or subversive act. ACORN does this stuff right out in the open.
  26. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C Also Jeb..simply dismissing the substance of what is being said because, you feel a particular blog, etc. may be biased. Does not give you a pass to blow off the substance of their assertions. That is the easy way out... This article was written by a former ACORN employee. (next comes the ahh, they then they are a disgruntled employee that *must* have an axe to grind with ACRON. Fair enough on its face... but this leads to my last point, how many other reasons could I give to support at least arguing the positions that are being held by the writers of the HotAir article before you would actually address the substance of their assertions?
  27. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed Conspiracy is a carefully chosen word to debunk the entire premise without showing proof. Classic Alinsky
  28. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed Mr. Alinsky’s tactics were based on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci’s Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes. Like Alinsky, Mikhail Gorbachev followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalins’s wrath by suggesting that Lenin’s revolutionary plan wouldn’t work in the West. Instead the primary assault would be on Biblical absolutes and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new face of Communism could rise and flourish. Malachi Martin gave us a progress report: “By 1985, the influence of traditional Christian philosophy in the West was weak and negligible…. Gramsci’s master strategy was now feasible. Humanly speaking, it was no longer too tall an order to strip large majorities of men and women in the West of those last vestiges that remained to them of Christianity’s transcendent God.” So my friends. The attack on Christianity is by design. It must be defeated in order for Alinsky’s radical agenda to be put in place in America. Acorn is nothing but a front in the ever increasing antagonistic battle against conservativism and Christianity as the opponents to their Radical and self serving agenda to socialize perhaps even communitize America via Fascist dogma.
  29. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb Jay, I think that there is definite mismanagement and poor training that has lead to some corruption and that is cause for concern. The SEIU applying what pressure it can within legal bounds in attempts to unionize another workplace are in no way troubling to me. Re: My opinion of HotAir Anything that comes out of any of the fever swamps on either side I take with a bucket of salt. I am not sure what previous history you are speaking of. If it is the voter registration fraud allegations, ACORN was paying people piece meal for registrations which predictably led to many registrations for Mickey Mouse, Yosemite Sam, etc. Most of these were flagged by ACORN before passing them on (as they were legally required to do). That was and will be true of any large voter registrations effort that pays piece meal (as most do). This has not lead to actual vote fraud that I am aware of. If it is something else please let me know. BTW I don't much care for or about ACORN and my defense is more about keeping the charges within their proper scope rather than trying to claim that nothing is wrong.
  30. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb @Doomed Oh no! Communist fascists are going to kill god and destroy western civilization!
  31. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb BTW It now appears that at least some of the video was selectively edited and that at least some thought it was a prank and played along. http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_webtape16v2.406d524.html?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:9ca89ec5-7ab2-454c-bdc2-2197e13f7f79 One woman even claimed to have previously been a prostitute and had gotten away with murdering her husband (she wasn't and she didn't). She seems to be a kook, but not someone who was actually going to help arrange affairs for a brothel. Again, this looks more like poor management and poor training than anything more nefarious. BTW Poor training and poor management are sufficient grounds for not wanting ACORN to participate in the census and for a review of what federal funds they are eligible for.
  32. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed @Doomed Oh no! Communist fascists are going to kill god and destroy western civilization! Classic Alinsky Jeb. Classic.
  33. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C C'mon Jeb, you know we don't think "Communist fascists are going to kill god and destroy western civilization!" But, negative incidents, like those with Acorn should be closely monitored within the context of the negative trend, and added to the pile of things to pay attention too...not shrugged off, or explained away-yet again... Is it more likely that there is "bad seed" after "bad seed" after "bad seed" after "bad seed" discovered, on top of those that were fired during the last election for fraudulent registration practices. Again, compare this to other non-profits (and in just the past year mind you). Did ACORN'S training program suddenly change? why all of a sudden were these people caught with their pants down? What other organization had congress (thank God) strip their involvment in Government programs.. Or, is it just that the organization feels they can push their agenda now that they have friends in high places? Again, all this has happened in the past year. It is highly unlikely that this all happened by coincidence and bad training. It is entirely possible that Acorn has always been this corrupt as well, but they have flown under the radar, and can no longer do that with folks like Beck, and Malkin and Breitbart on their case.
  34. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C " paying people piece meal for registrations which predictably led to many registrations for Mickey Mouse, Yosemite Sam, etc. Most of these were flagged by ACORN before passing them on (as they were legally required to do). That was and will be true of any large voter registrations effort that pays piece meal (as most do). This has not lead to actual vote fraud that I am aware of. If it is something else please let me know." Yeah, that is it.. but why did ACORN enable that behavior by paying peicemail? would they do it again, and hope the "flagging process" works? How many of these made it through that weren't caught? Is this a good process in your opinion to get voters registered? Why do it if you know it isn't going to lead to accurate registrations? After a while, the trend of "oops, my bad", again, and again, and again, and again grows rather worisome... and slopiness turns into something more ugly. ACORN brought this on themselves.
  35. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    C’mon Jeb, you know we don’t think “Communist fascists are going to kill god and destroy western civilization!”
    That snark was not aimed at you.
    Did ACORN’S training program suddenly change?
    I doubt it. More likely their training and management were always substandard. Unfortunately this is not all that uncommon in the charities and community organizations particularly during rapid growth and or massive time sensitive projects.
    but why did ACORN enable that behavior by paying peicemail?
    Because paying by the hour would not encourage high numbers and relying exclusively on volunteers greatly limits size and scope. Any way you choose to organize a massive voter registration effort you will face one or more of these negatives. What is necessary is to recognize this and account for it. In the registration case ACORN caught and flagged almost all of the fraudulent registrations.
    How many of these made it through that weren’t caught?
    We don't know, but I would guess relatively few and I have seen no convincing evidence that this resulted in fraudulent votes being cast. Do you have any evidence that these fraudulent registrations led to (m)any fraudulent votes cast?
    Is this a good process in your opinion to get voters registered?
    There is no perfect way to organize a massive voter registration. I would prefer that massive registration efforts were not needed to improve voter turnout.
    Why do it if you know it isn’t going to lead to accurate registrations?
    Because it leads to many many more accurate registrations and the inaccurate ones can be weeded out (as they were).
    ACORN brought this on themselves.
    On that we can agree. It is on how they did so that we disagree.
  36. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb @Doomed Classic crazy Doomed, classic.
  37. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C "Because it leads to many many more accurate registrations and the inaccurate ones can be weeded out (as they were)." So you admit that we don’t know, and then you “guess” that relatively few get through. So you admit that probably some get through, and we should just put up with it, and will probably never know. You are right; I have seen no convincing evidence that this resulted in fraudulent votes being cast. But you are missing the point. The process is flawed and should be unacceptable. (In my opinion, unless people are infirmed or elderly) there is no reason foks can't register like anyone else does I can't think of any other reason. Language barriers? have multi-lingual forms for the same way I register. Justifying “high voter registration numbers”, by enabling sloppy processes just doesn’t pass the smell test for me. (And I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking this). Whereas you might say "that’s just the way it is"... I say “how must we fix this?" I think that is where we differ…
  38. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    So you admit that probably some get through, and we should just put up with it, and will probably never know.
    No, I don't mind all that much if a Yosemite Sam, Mickey Mouse, or a few others are improperly registered as long as that does not lead to their voting. In reading about the ACORN voter registration drive this appears to be what happened. When the voter fraud issue came up again in the lead up to the last election cycle I read a few studies that addressed the issue of voter fraud in the US. All pointed to it being a small number of cases and not particularly prone to push in one direction. I did a quick look through my docs and favs and can't lay my hands on the cites right now. If I find time later I will look for them.
    Whereas you might say “that’s just the way it is”… I say “how must we fix this?” I think that is where we differ…
    I think where we differ is in where we see the problem. Increasing turnout and eliminating fraudulent voting are both good goals, but which deals with the bigger extant problem? That 70% turnout for a national election would be staggeringly high is in my mind a serious problem. On the other hand, I have seen no convincing evidence that fraudulent votes are being cast in significant numbers and no evidence that voter registrations drives (all of which produce some bogus registrations) increase that apparently quite small number. In an ideal world we would all be informed, active, and vote and the tabulation would always be both accurate and precise. Unfortunately that is not the world we live in and we have to prioritize and apparently our priorities are less than perfectly aligned.
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    Jason Arvak
    No, I don’t mind all that much if a Yosemite Sam, Mickey Mouse, or a few others are improperly registered as long as that does not lead to their voting.
    But they can vote, Jeb. Fraudulent voter registrations can be used to allow selected voters to vote multiple times using the fraudulent identities (which are not limited to easily detected cartoon characters). And it is worth remembering that ACORN does both voter registrations and the mobilization and transportation of voters on election day. That means they would have the capability to pull off this stunt in a way that would never show up on the methodologically inadequate studies that you are citing as a reason to avoid being concerned. So you shouldn't just blow it off because you agree with ACORN's underlying left-wing ideology. The laws limiting each person to a single vote should not be variably enforced based on ideological sympathy. And I have exactly ZERO doubt that you would be outraged if the partisan identities here were reversed.
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    Jason Arvak
    That snark was not aimed at you.
    Doesn't matter. Misquoting what someone did or did not say or reducing it to caricature is unacceptable regardless of the intended target. Knock it off.
  41. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed @Doomed Classic crazy Doomed, classic. http://nukegingrich.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/hillaryclintonthesis.pdf You might find that an interesting read. Its Hillary Rodhams Political Science Thesis. its titled..........There is only one fight......an analysis of the Alinsky model. The Alinsky handbook runs deep and has powerful friends in high places. Its the model thats been in play for 40 years. Yeah Its classic alright Jeb and the more you call me crazy the more I like it. That means Im touching nerves.
  42. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed Jeb wrote "That snark was not aimed at you." I love it when people get snarky with me. That means they have no rebuttal for my points. Only deflection and changing of the subject. Classic Alinsky.
  43. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C ...just another "bad seed /bad trainimg moment" I suppose, huh Jeb :) http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/17/acorn-video-prostitution-scandal-in-san-diego-ca/
  44. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C I here the dynamic duo "James & Hannah" over at big government have more of this stuff up their sleves.. But, Im sure you'll find a way to write those off too Jeb.