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Palin fightsIn a Washington Post op-ed this morning, Sarah Palin blasted the “cap & tax” bill, and in the process she fired a shot across the bow of the progressive political-media complex.

In criticizing the cap & trade bill, Palin makes two smart moves: first, she appropriately credits the Obama administration for the initiative (not Waxman et al); second, she explains why the bill will be a burden to working families. Palin reminds readers that U.S. prosperity was built on abundant, affordable energy – an idea that resonates with voters, many of whom will always have an affinity for V-8 engines, open highways, air conditioned mega malls, and unapologetic industrial dynamism. She contrasts that vision with the costs of cap and trade: new energy taxes, job losses, and higher costs for doing business. In turn, working families will have to pay more for home energy, food, and other consumer goods. Palin writes that Americans have long been both economic and environmental leaders. By tapping into our “God given resources” – oil, gas, coal – and by building new nuclear power plants, we can decrease our dependence on foreign energy sources without having to destroy our economy in the process. In this op-ed, Palin is playing to one of her strengths – energy policy.

At the same time, Palin’s op-ed successfully links Americans’ anxieties about the economy and rising deficits to the elite political-media complex:

Unfortunately, many in the national media would rather focus on the personality-driven political gossip of the day than on the gravity of these challenges. So, at risk of disappointing the chattering class, let me make clear what is foremost on my mind and where my focus will be:

I am deeply concerned about President Obama’s cap-and-trade energy plan, and I believe it is an enormous threat to our economy. It would undermine our recovery over the short term and would inflict permanent damage.

Usually, politicians are hesitant to take on the “progressive” elites, fearful of what they can do to their political enemies. After already being brutally savaged by the political-media complex, though, Sarah Palin might now be in an ideal position to fight back. Really, what else can they say about her, or do to her, at this point? If progressive media and political hacks respond to Palin’s policy arguments with more ad hominem attacks, that would only discredit their cases.

Sure, they will now hammer away with the “quitter” label, but Palin won’t be acting like a quitter. Besides, people nowadays have very short attention spans/memories. The American public loves underdogs and comeback stories. There is a law of diminishing returns on most things, including smear campaigns. Palin’s opponents have spent most of their ammo and now it’s her turn to take aim and, for a while at least, she gets to pick the issues on which she wants to engage.

If the progressives respond to Palin on the issues instead of relying on dishonest attacks, they will lose political traction the more they talk. After all, when you get down to the details, how do you defend something like the Waxman bill, which is an energy tax larded up with hundreds of rent seeking scams? The Obama/progressive blitzkrieg is predicated on the idea that you ram through a major expansion of government while few people are paying much attention – including the Congressmen. Well, one of the biggest celebrities in America is paying attention and now she has more latitude to speak her mind.

Obviously, things could change if the promised major scandal ever surfaces, but the odds of that seem quite low. Why would Palin write a Washington Post op-ed about cap & trade if she knew that the hammer was about to drop on her?

One irony is that the vicious, dishonest attacks on Palin convinced even more G.O.P. elites to come out against her. Now, as Palin begins to counterattack the progressive’s political vulnerabilities, it will be more difficult for her opponents to portray Palin as a partisan attack dog, establishment figure, or to dismiss her as carrying water for the “same old failed Republican policies.” Perhaps that is why Palin went on the record to say that she would help conservatives regardless of party affiliation. Palin has the potential to become an anti-establishment voice for the middle class and tea party voters in general and anti-leftists in particular.

AJ Strata believes that Palin will now position herself as a center-right “moderate” politician. That’s quite possible, but I doubt it. If the economy does not improve within the next few years, the likely political backlash will once again leave centrists holding the bag. Palin has been dishonestly attacked by progressives as being an archconservative “Christianist” on social issues, which is far from the truth. But she has given every indication that she gravitates toward classical liberal economics. In her op-ed this morning, she even wrote: “The ironic beauty in this plan? Soon, even the most ardent liberal will understand supply-side economics.” Considering that progressive political and media elites have been able to convince many low-information voters that free market policies are responsible for much of our economic problems, Palin’s op-ed is not an example of playing it down the middle.

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  1. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed No. yes
  2. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed Evidence is pointing to global cooling and not global warming. But of course this just doesnt sit well with the Global warming crowd who want their expensive cap and trade taxes to fund their social programs. They only pretend to care about the atmosphere when in fact their coat tail ride on the AGW bandwagon is simply expediency to fund massive welfare and social programs. We are in a solar trend that will see the planet cool even though the cooling is actually being offset somewhat by the build up of C02. In the end the build up of CO2 will not be enough to offset the lack of heat from the sun. This will force the earth into a global cooling cycle which will be far, far worse then anything the Global Warming crowd could ever imagine. If you doubt this look at the history of the Mini Ice age and extrapolate that out many fold.
  3. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C @Jeb "I have never said that research or debate should stop. I have said that enough evidence is in to warrant action. The research and debate have been going on since the early 80s. What evidence would be required to change your mind? At what point would you be satisfied that action was warranted?"w I already said when I would be satisfied, When the valid data of the climate scientists that are not so sure about AGW is placed into the mix, and not ignored. (Yes, the "remainder" of the 700 scientists that are critical of AGW) Then I (and the many other Americans that are skeptcal of AGW) will feel satisfied (either we will support AGW or we wont) but until then, I will be increasingly skeptical the more these legitimate non-AGW scientists are ignored in the mainstream. Sound fair Jeb?
  4. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    When the valid data of the climate scientists that are not so sure about AGW is placed into the mix, and not ignored.
    Then you should be satisfied now. All the available data is in the mix for the scientific debate regardless of who is and is not heard in the pop culture debate.
  5. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    Evidence is pointing to global cooling and not global warming.
    Cite? (a real one, not just some crank website)
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    Jason Arvak Apart from simply labeling everyone you disagree with pre-emptively, what criteria can you apply for differentiating valid sources from invalid "cranks", etc, Jeb? And wouldn't you object if those you disagree with starting putting mandatory limits on what you were allowed to cite? Double standards much?
  7. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C you conveniently left this out Jeb: "(Yes, the “remainder” of the 700 scientists that are critical of AGW) Then I (and the many other Americans that are skeptcal of AGW) will feel satisfied (either we will support AGW or we wont) but until then, I will be increasingly skeptical the more these legitimate non-AGW scientists are ignored in the mainstream. Sound fair Jeb? " These are the folks that I wants answered, if I have to pay into this, you bet your butt I want to know more than just what what your scientific debate says. I want that data expressed to me, sell it to ME and everyone else like me, we are the ones that are going to be paying higher energy prices! How can you not get that Jeb?
  8. Posted by Doomed
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    Doomed Additonally people are being fired or threatened to be fired because as we know most of Academia is left to far left and they have all bought into the AGW thing full guns because they have an agenda that is driven by more then just the climate. Remember the meteoroligist who was threatened to be fired by the state of Oregon for saying perhpas AGW was in error? Science does not say....the debate is over...the evidence is in....As the AGW crowd is contending. Squelch debate. Use the Assumption closing. Sell to the American public a bill of goods that is a LEMON. Science is never content with what is....they always want to know more and better and deeper and farther into the realm of the quark, neutrino and black matter of the universe.... At least any scientist I've been associated with.
  9. Posted by Kastanj
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    Kastanj "Apart from simply labeling everyone you disagree with pre-emptively, what criteria can you apply for differentiating valid sources from invalid “cranks”, etc, Jeb?" Well, since he hasn't been presented with a site that has a chance of being "crankish" or not in his eyes, he hasn't had a chance of showing his criteria, has he? Anyone can label someone a crank provided one actually argues well for it.
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    Patrick Glenn Jeb wrote, "Moderate danger includes such things as loss of some coastal cities (with associated mass translocation), loss of 50%+ of the world’s reef ecosystems, and significant increases in serious storms, droughts, etc." Did the STATS survey explicitly define "moderate danger" to include loss of coastal cities, etc., or did they leave it up to respondents to gauge for themselves what moderate would mean? If it's the latter, then we cannot assume that respondents share your definition of moderate, which seems to fit with the catastrophic outlook, as in, "we'll be lucky if only half of the coastal cities are buried underwater . . ." I've done some very brief internet research and I see you're right that the term "climate change" appeared in the scientic journals in the 1990s. One curious thing was that some folks blamed GW Bush and his former pollster Frank Luntz for popularizing the climate change nomenclature. Yet, as you say, the preferred scientific term is climate change. If Bush and Luntz had tried to popularize the term "sunny days" to replace global warming, would the catastrophic AGW crowd have gone along with it? I remember this plot by Bush and Luntz being helped along by academics, scientists, environmentalists who often corrected students and laypersons when they used the wrong term global warming instead of climate change. I am concerned about the convenient lack of precision inherent in this notion of climate change, which encompasses any possible future scenarios: no matter what happens, the climate is always changing, just like we said it would. On the predictive value of AGW computer models, see: http://www.atypon-link.com/IAHS/doi/abs/10.1623/hysj.53.4.671 Jeb wrote, "I don’t accept your assumption that a cap and trade scheme, carbon tax, or other measures to limit GHG emissions must be economically destructive. They will likely slow growth, but the costs of ignoring the issue look to be far graver. I don’t know that the Waxman bill is the way to go, but no other serious attempt is on the table right now. Any bill needs to undergo serious cost benefit analysis before being enacted." If the policies effectively "slow growth," then they are by defintion economically destructive. Economic growth means new jobs created, additional goods & services produced, additional entrpreneurial activities, innovations, etc. Deliberately slowing growth means fewer jobs and goods/services produced, fewer entrepreneurial activities, less innovation. That's destructive in my book. In addition, I'd be gravely concerned about any governmental regime that would deliberately slow down economic growth: the costs to society of being governed by such a regime would extend far beyond the immediate loss of economic opportunities. I agree with you that the Waxman bill, EPA regulation of CO2 as a pollutant, and other similar AGW austerity measures will slow growth. I suspect that the great majority of Americans would agree with us, too. On the other hand, only a small minority of Americans is convinced that the "costs of ignoring the issue LOOK to be far graver [heck, even you had to hedge your bet with LOOK instead of WILL BE]. Jeb, I think you do understand that the Waxman bill is a travesty. Serious cost benfit analysis? We could only dream! The House passed the bill without any members having read it. Maybe you haven't read all 1,500 pages yet. Neither have I. But as they say in the computer modeling industry: garbage in, garbage out. Jeb also wrote, "So if Hansen’s name is in any way attached you will immediately dismiss the data in favor of data from websites devoted to falsifying AGW?" Yes, Hansen's data has proven to be very spotty on multiple occasions and studies published under the Goddard Center umrbella would accrue some connection to its "chief" Hansen. But, I agree that it would be a logical fallacy to dismiss all Hansen-connected data/studies. Likewise, it is a logical fallacy when catastrophic AGW proponents automatically dismiss or discount data/studies--many of which are peer reviewed--that are associated with institutions/affiliations that they think are tainted or illegitmate, not properly credentialled, etc.
  11. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb Jason
    And wouldn’t you object if those you disagree with starting putting mandatory limits on what you were allowed to cite?
    That entirely depends on the limits and the argument. As the argument I am making is about the science I see it as entirely reasonable to differentiate between scientifically rigorous cites and some uncorroborated web site. You can find someone somewhere on the internet that will say anything. I have seen you shoot people down for citing Wikipedia. Why is it then unfair of me to shoot someone down for citing web sites with even less rigor?
    Double standards much?
    In short, no. Jay
    (Yes, the “remainder” of the 700 scientists that are critical of AGW)
    They have not been frozen out of the scientific debate. The political debate has proceeded much as all political debate in America has proceeded since I began keeping track in the 80s, and all evidence I have seen points to this going back much further. Exclusion and demonizing the opposition are typical tools of both sides in virtually every political debate in America that I have seen. It does not make it seemly or right, but it does mean that requiring that this end prior to making a decision means that no decision will be made (a decision in itself). Read at least the synthesis literature on the subject. 'Science', 'Nature', and other scientific journals regularly have literature reviews that distill most of the research on a given topic and are at least somewhat accessible to a lay audience. This is not something that I expect most to do, but you are engaged in the debate and so should pursue this. Patrick
    we cannot assume that respondents share your definition of moderate, which seems to fit with the catastrophic outlook, as in, “we’ll be lucky if only half of the coastal cities are buried underwater . . .”
    Some ≠ half or even near half. Please respond to what I actually write.
    One curious thing was that some folks blamed GW Bush and his former pollster Frank Luntz for popularizing the climate change nomenclature. Yet, as you say, the preferred scientific term is climate change.
    I think that the upset was on a few levels. 1) The focus grouping used to choose terminology for political gain (despite it's greater accuracy). 2) It came from Bush and Luntz. It is a bit ironic (in its common usage) that this term that Bush brought into popular usage (because it focus grouped better) is now being used as a club to beat scientists and others who argue that anthropogenic climate change is happening.
    On the predictive value of AGW computer models, see:
    From the cite you provided.
    Geographically distributed predictions of future climate, obtained through climate models, are widely used in hydrology and many other disciplines, typically without assessing their reliability
    Did you read the evaluation of the GISS model I cited above? It is free for download.
    If the policies effectively “slow growth,” then they are by defintion economically destructive.
    My understanding of the term is different.
    Destructive 1 : causing destruction : ruinous
    If you simply mean that economic growth would likely be slowed, then we are in agreement. Then it is all about degree which is why rigorous cost benefit analysis is in order.
    Serious cost benfit analysis? We could only dream!
    and a big dream it is.
    heck, even you had to hedge your bet with LOOK instead of WILL BE
    A habit of training.
    Yes, Hansen’s data has proven to be very spotty on multiple occasions
    The data is made publicly available which is how the (2 or 3) mistakes were caught and those mistakes were quickly corrected. I believe it took about a week in each case and did not alter the trend lines. 'Very spotty' is not accurate and 'on a few occasions' would be more accurate than 'on multiple occasions".
    Likewise, it is a logical fallacy when catastrophic AGW proponents automatically dismiss or discount data/studies–many of which are peer reviewed
    That is the evidence I have been asking people for every time I have debated this subject. Please provide cites.
    associated with institutions/affiliations that they think are tainted or illegitmate, not properly credentialled, etc.
    Who funds the research should not matter as long as the research is properly reviewed. The publishing institution is a more critical matter. I would not accept at face value (and neither should you) anything published by an industry or environmental interest group. For example, I wouldn't accept at face value a study on climate change funded and published by either Exxon or the Sierra Club. If that same study underwent peer review and was published in a respected scientific journal that would be a different matter.
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    Jason Arvak What I object to, Jeb, is that your particular definition of "rigor" in this area appears coterminous with agreeing with you. In short, anything that you agree with is "rigorous" automatically and anything that disagrees with you is NOT "rigorous" automatically. And I think that is not either a fair or honest way to approach a debate.
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    Doomed The largest problem I have with ACES is that its disingenuous at best and a downright deception at its worst. Statement issued by Greenpeace. “As it comes to the floor, the Waxman-Markey bill sets emission reduction targets far lower than science demands, then undermines even those targets with massive offsets. The giveaways and preferences in the bill will actually spur a new generation of nuclear and coal-fired power plants to the detriment of real energy solutions. The carbon sequestering that the industry is already embarking upon is going to make the Cap and trade look silly in the years ahead. Its nothing but a tax to pay for social programs and its a sham at the very best. They want to fix the Co2 emissions for this country? 3 percent surtax on every thing energy wise and throw that money at the carbon sequestering programs that are working right now. Spend the money on coal scrubbers that will reduce the co2 output by 90 percent. This bill is a sham. There are so many better ways to fix whats wrong that will make a huge difference and sincerely will reduce our footprint by 18-22 percent along with bringing green jobs online which will further errode our carbon signature on the planet. It requires open minds as to what can really fix the problems. As I type this Im looking at a windfarm that stretches as far as the eye can see with 21 new towers being built right now. Its being built by California and Im in Wyoming right now. Green is happening. We dont need regulation.... We need cooperation.
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    Patrick Glenn Jeb, for more on the reliability of climate models, see: http://www.itia.ntua.gr/en/docinfo/850/ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071211101623.htm Gary Strand, a software engineer at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), regularly comments on the website Climate Audit. He's usually on there defending the value of computer modeling. And, on a long-term and general basis, I agree that these models have tremendous potential not just for modeling the exceptionally complex dynamics that influence climate changes, but in using computers to model other systems. A month or so ago, he admitted that the climate models had a very long way to go, admitting that the software "doesn't meet the best standards available." In the short-term, then, as they are used to promote measures like the Waxman bill and EPA regulation of CO2 as a pollutant, these climate models unfortunately cause more harm than good. The scientists share some of the blame for politicizing the science. As I linked to before, see: Roger A. Pielke, Jr. (2004), http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/admin/publication_files/resource-1621-2004.18.pdf. As for the half v. some, I did not intend to misquote you - I wasn't really quoting you at all. I meant that as one version of what moderate danger could mean to a catastrophic AGW believer, given the few examples you had given. I still don't see how Bush and Lutz can be given much credit for influencing whether environmentalists, climate scientists, and catastrophic AGW believers use GW or CC. If so, that might be the only time Bush had any sway with those folks. In theory: given the time and resources to thoroughly scrutinize the methodology, the authors' backgrounds and who funds the research does not matter at all. The data speak for themselves. In the absence of a thorough methodological review, knowing about who wrote and funded a study can be a useful shorthand for gauging where it's coming from, etc. Of course, a certain amount of bias will influence certain aspects of even the most rigorous scientific approaches, but that's unavoidable. In practice: the peer review process is not always as rigorous as we'd like it to be, http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/02/health/02docs.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1. Recently, we learned that some scientific journals were charging for submissions, then not reviewing the materials before publication. I wonder, given the popularity of climate science, whether the issue might go in the other direction: They get many more submissions than they can publish, in which case there would be an editorial selection process. Are we cultivating a healthy climate for scientific inquiry and debate? Climate scientists and computer engineers, on a net basis, are presented with very strong incentives to pursue certain types of inquiries. See: http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf.
  15. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb Jason,
    What I object to, Jeb, is that your particular definition of “rigor” in this area appears coterminous with agreeing with you.
    Not at all. Rigor is determined by process, not outcome. I have cited a number of peer reviewed scientific studies and offered more. I have been told here that there are peer reviewed scientific studies that come to a different conclusion, but have yet to see one of them cited here. At the point they are cited, I will read them and will either agree or disagree with their methodology and conclusions and will respond either with agreement or with arguments based on the work cited and backed up by evidence that will be supported by other peer reviewed scientific studies. This is entirely appropriate when discussing the science of climate change. When we are discussing the economics of plans to mitigate the potential dangers posed by climate change I expect arguments to be backed up by solid economic theory (such as it is) and the opinions of economists particularly those whose work has survived peer review to be given more weight than the opinions of armchair pundits. Doomed Sequestration should be part of any plan to limit GHGs.
    3 percent surtax on every thing energy wise
    Carbon taxes are another potential method that should be seriously considered. Updated emission controls for coal plants and other industry should also be part of the response.
    As I type this Im looking at a windfarm that stretches as far as the eye can see with 21 new towers being built right now.
    That's great and there needs to be more of it.
    Green is happening. We dont need regulation…. We need cooperation.
    We need both. I am willing to bet that regulation (whether in the form of tax credits and/or emission demands on power companies) played a large role in those 21 new towers being built.
    It requires open minds as to what can really fix the problems.
    That is certainly true and unfortunately those are in short supply among our political class.
  16. Posted by Jeb
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    Jeb
    Jeb, for more on the reliability of climate models, see:
    I am trying to get hold of the article cited in the Science Daily piece, but need to get to a better library to do so. I am working through the ITIA presentation and am looking for a full article that I assume the presentation was based on. I have some initial concerns about their limiting the data to only 8 stations, but am withholding judgment until I can digest the full articles.
    I meant that as one version of what moderate danger could mean to a catastrophic AGW believer, given the few examples you had given.
    Danger in this context is generally based on loss of life, property, and ecosystems relative to the current global system. Among the modelers and climate scientists I have known (only a few dozen so this is anecdotal) the examples I gave comport with their understanding of moderate danger and severe danger as related to climate change.
    I still don’t see how Bush and Lutz can be given much credit for influencing whether environmentalists, climate scientists, and catastrophic AGW believers use GW or CC.
    They did not effect the terminology of climate scientists (it had already changed), but they did help usher the term climate change, as opposed to global warming, into the common parlance. As for use by environmentalists I can't say but I suspect that some time after fuming about the shift in language from the WH they accepted what was already accepted among the climate scientists. Either way the change in terminology was not a ploy by scientists or environmentalists to ensure non-falsifiability. Some overzealous supporters of AGW theory may have attempted to use it as such, but that is an entirely different issue.
    In practice: the peer review process is not always as rigorous as we’d like it to be
    Nor is any process. When looked at in the whole and particularly in the premiere journals like 'Science' and 'Nature' the peer review process does remarkably well (better in fact than any other review process I have seen or heard of).