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Posted by Michael van der Galien   |   23 comments

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During his show yesterday, Rush Limbaugh lashed out at NRO’s Jonah Goldberg for having the audacity to praise President Obama for the way he handled the piracy / hostage crisis. Sayeth Limbaugh:

I want to single out today, Jonah Goldberg at National Review Online for being the first that I saw to have the proper reaction to the rescue of Captain Phillips from the merchant marine organizers, and that was to congratulate President Obama for a job well done. And I think we all must agree, folks, that when Obama does something right, we gotta go out there and we’ve got to acknowledge it. We gotta say he did a great job, and we’ve gotta be open-minded to the fact that Obama’s going to do some good things, and so Jonah Goldberg leading the way here in showing us how this is done. There have been others to jump on this bandwagon. I would like to not only jump on the bandwagon of praising President Obama for a brilliant rescue, not only a plan but its execution, I don’t think the Navy had that much to do with it. Were Obama not in the White House, who knows, this might still be going on, we might have had some unfortunate American deaths. But we are blessed with President Obama and his administration, their cool hand. In fact, let’s go back to this program last Friday. This is what I predicted on this program.

This is eventually going to get solved one way or the other. The standoff between the United States and the merchant marine organizers from Somalia will get solved. I want to predict to you the headline. Well, maybe not the headline, but the first words in the story will be something like this: “Thanks to the cool hand of President Obama,” blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So actually, folks, I was first. I predicted congratulations for President Obama because I, as an American, was confident this was going to get settled, it was going to be resolved one way or the other, and regardless how, President Obama was going to be given credit for it, and so Jonah Goldberg was the first that I saw at National Review Online, but there have been others who have jumped on the bandwagon, but I was first ’cause I predicted on Friday that this would happen and that President Obama would be seen as the great rescuer. In fact, ladies and gentlemen, George Stephanopoulos was told by a senior administration official, as was USA Today, that this would make a great movie. This would make a fabulous movie. Which, of course, when an Obama administration official tells Stephanopoulos on ABC, who is this Obama administration official leaking all this? Deep Parrot, maybe? They tell the Drive-Bys, the way this is going to get played, “Oh, yeah, this is going to be a great movie.” Well, you know, Hollywood’s going to pick up on this and make a great movie.

He went on like that for a couple of minutes more.

Limbaugh is a conservative entertainer. He is not a politician. There is no need for him to be politically correct. The same goes for Goldberg. Both man can and do say what’s on their mind. They are open, and honest.

But still, what Limbaugh did yesterday is unacceptable and extremely harmful for the conservative movement. Do not attack each other. If one member is under attack, the entire movement should come to his defense. When the member is attacked by a fellow member, however, the movement may be torn apart.

Most of Limbaugh’s anger seems to be due to what he considers lack of appreciation by Goldberg for what the Navy Seals did. However, Jonah did praise them for their work, but simply added that Obama made the right call to allow them to go in. Since when is that wrong?

Well, it’s only wrong if you believe conservatives should do to Obama what liberals did to Bush during his eight years in office. And that is exactly what Limbaugh advocates doing, while Goldberg refuses to play along. That is what this minor controversy is truly all about. Limbaugh wants to tear Obama down every single day, while Goldberg believes the president should be praised when he makes the right call, and criticized for specific policies.

  1. Posted by CStanley
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    CStanley But still, what Limbaugh did yesterday is unacceptable and extremely harmful for the conservative movement Hear, hear. I don't think he needs to be politically correct all of the time but this is an example of pushing political incorrectness into the 'stoopid' zone. It's like the anti-AGW conservatives who launched a campaign to turn on every light and electrical appliance in one's home on the night when Greenies were asking people to show solidarity by turning out the lights. Even when we disagree with others' political views, these statements and actions are obviously against EVERYONE's best interest no matter what your beliefs. And then there's the point you mention, Michael (basically Reagan's 11th commandment.)
  2. Michael van der Galien
    It’s like the anti-AGW conservatives who launched a campaign to turn on every light and electrical appliance in one’s home on the night when Greenies were asking people to show solidarity by turning out the lights. Even when we disagree with others’ political views, these statements and actions are obviously against EVERYONE’s best interest no matter what your beliefs.
    I agree.
    And then there’s the point you mention, Michael (basically Reagan’s 11th commandment.)
    Yes. But that commandment can happily be ignored when one of the members of the movement attacks another member, as Limbaugh did in this particular case. Normally, Limbaugh should not be criticized too much by conservatives, moderate conservatives, etc. But when he goes after a conservative blogger, other rules apply. I am wondering, therefore, whether conservatives will criticize Limbaugh now, or whether they'll ignore it.
  3. Posted by CStanley
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    CStanley Well, that's a tough call because criticizing him only brings more attention to it. Sometimes ignoring is strategically the best thing to do.
  4. Michael van der Galien Perhaps. But considering the amount of people who listen to Limbaugh's show, ignoring it is useless - it may do tremendous damage to Goldberg's reputation.
  5. Posted by CStanley
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    CStanley Oh, I don't agree with that. I think Limbaugh's audience is made up of some people who would never agree with Goldberg's more thoughtful analysis, and other people who would. Those who would, might actually be inclined to check him out if they haven't already been reading him- it could actually give him a boost. Those who buy into Limbaugh's criticism here would never be fans of Goldberg anyway, so it's no loss to him. And then among non-Limbaugh listeners- getting dissed by Rush and then standing up to him is more likely to give a big BOOST to Goldberg's reputation. And then there's the fact that Limbaugh is VERY good at leveraging any criticism of himself into more attention and higher ratings- so it's just a losing proposition to make a big deal over anything he says. It should be laughed off, basically.
  6. Posted by Noga
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    Noga "Limbaugh wants to tear Obama down every single day, while Goldberg believes the president should be praised when he makes the right call, and criticized for specific policies." It's the difference between demonization and genuine criticism.
  7. Michael van der Galien "It’s the difference between demonization and genuine criticism." Yup. Now, Rush certainly has his role to play. I've defended him at this site in the past, and will do so again in the future, I am sure, but he should not touch other, intellectual(ly honest) conservatives.
  8. Posted by Brainded
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    Brainded Newt Gingrich suggested that the GOP might actually branch off and form a third party. I would like to see that. I believe at first it will cause quite a power swing to the left but I think Ultimately that those who are in the democrats fold due to expediency will actually come to the Old GOP which is more big tentish and that the Social Conservatives will be inclusive of their own values. Hence I believe that the GOp needs to start a third party made up of the true social conseravatives. The left over GOP would I believe pull many from the Democrats who are say fiscally conservative but socially liberal and the Democratic party would in essence end up being the party of the far left progressives and perhaps unions. I think ultimately we would end up with roughly a 33/33/33 split in this country that would give everyone the feeling they were truly represented in government.
  9. Posted by Fraidykatt
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    Fraidykatt Sign me up. I would join the new GOP as long as they had a catchy name. Like The party of NO.
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    To Praise or Not to Praise? | Whatever Is Right [...] exactly sit well with the powers that be, primarily Rush Limbaugh, who not surprisingly chose to make a big stink over Goldberg’s remarks on his show Monday [...]
  11. Michael van der Galien Brainded: I think that it may sound great in theory, but that it will work out horribly in practice. To me, it is clear that the system is prejudiced - and heavily so - towards having two major parties. I don't believe the vote will ever be split 33/33/33. Third parties will remain small. And if one of them does become big, one of the traditional two MP's (major parties) will cease to exist.
  12. Posted by Hall
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    Hall Please, see the excellent Vanity Fair article re: Limbaugh. Essential reading. It notes the average age of a conservative talk radio listener is 67! The almost all male audience is dying for Rush. Ad revenue for radio, even Limbaugh, is scraping the bottom. The article suggests forget the 20-million a week claim, Limbaugh's real audience is below MSNBC's for its top show. Which is why Limbaugh, obviously an entertainer, is doing all he can to get his numbers up. That's what this is really about. The article also suggest Limbaugh is nuts. And Q's ... who, if anybody, be able to to and gently tell him it's time to call in the dogs, and p--- on the fire. (OK, I'm paraphrasing in the last sentence, you get the idea.
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    Jason Arvak Any article which begins from the premise that anyone who is a conservative must by definition be nuts cannot be called "essential reading" except for ideological bigots.
  14. Posted by Hall
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    Hall Sorry, Jason, surely you read the post, there's a HUGE gap between Limbaugh being out of control and your trying to stretch that to ".. all conservatives." Nice try, it doesn't work.
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    Jason Arvak Right. Because this is the very first time that conservatives have been called crazy as a way of discrediting them. Not.
  16. Posted by Brainded
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    Brainded WEll it might or might not work but I for one think the 2 party system sucks now. Americans have become to partisan to bend. Sign me up. Nothing ever gets done unless someone stands up and does it.
  17. Posted by CStanley
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    CStanley Ooh, someone published a piece that portrays Rush Limbaugh in a negative light? Sounds like a real must read- cutting edge stuff.
  18. Michael van der Galien Ohh it would be great, i agree. Just dont think its going to happen. @hall; link handy? @jason: i cant quite see how you make the step to "all conservatives." Let's read the article first (or did you already?). Besides; i believe that at least Glenn Beck is batsh@t crazy... Dont believe Rush is, but Beck certainly is
  19. Posted by Hall
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    Hall "Right. Because this is the very first time that conservatives have been called crazy as a way of discrediting them." ------ Not exactly. I was a newsman covering Goldwater in '64. Goldwater knew he was gonna loose big, he didn't much care, he was planting seeds for the future. He invented conservatism in the US. "Conscience of a Conservative." Those of you who knee-jerk whatever you think a conservative should be, please, go back and read that. Bill Buckley actually wrote it, but it's what Goldwater believed. Goldwater's slogan was 'IN YOUR HEART YOU KNOW HE'S RIGHT.' In October, somewhere in there, other buttons appeared in the crowds: 'IN YOUR GUTS YOU KNOW HE'S NUTS." I saw Goldwater bust out laughing what had to be the first time he saw one, he thought it was hilarious. He wouldn't recognize what mean-spirited people have done to the movement he started.
  20. Posted by Hall
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    Hall http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/05/rush-limbaugh200905 RUSH LIMBAUGH, THE MAN WHO ATE THE GOP Rush Limbaugh, it seemed to me, had to be in huge trouble. Beyond his history of drug problems—in liberal circles there remains a constant is-he-isn’t-he speculation about the status of his prescription-painkiller addiction—beyond even the fact that the mighty conservative tide which he’d ridden to such success had certainly peaked, there were the terrible problems in his core business. Radio advertising rates were falling—even before the recession—Internet competition was rising, and Rush’s much-vaunted audience of 14 million was down from its high of 20 to 25 million during the Clinton years to closer to cable-TV size. The view at MSNBC was that, on a minute-by-minute basis, Limbaugh’s audience was now no bigger than that of its liberal stars, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. ----- Rush is so much more lively, scary, jaw-dropping, and fabulous when he’s on the attack. Add to this that he might actually be crazy—the big fear of the moderates—that it isn’t showmanship but a train wreck that we’re all watching, one in which he takes everyone with him. “How far will he go? You don’t know what might come out of his mouth. What if he truly goes to war against the leadership? He could, you know, if he wanted to just split the party. Walk out with the hard-core conservatives. He could and he knows it,” said my moderate-Republican interlocutor.
  21. Posted by chuck
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    chuck Wait a second, folks. If you actually listened to the show yesterday, he was NOT criticizing Jonah Goldberg at all, he was just trying to take credit away from him by saying he was FIRST in crediting Obama with saving Cpt. Murphy's life. In fact, Rush said the heat he was taking yesterday was from liberals whom he claimed were giving Obama too much credit for the rescue, and other "close" friends who thought Rush was losing his mind by praising our "brilliant" new president. Rush was AGREEING with Jonah that when the president does great things (and there haven't been many to speak of until now), you have to credit him. I don't see any attack on Goldberg from reading this transcript, nor from what I heard yesterday while listening to his show.
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    Food Fight On The Far Right: Limbaugh Claims Jonah Goldberg Isn’t A True Obstructionist | North Carolina Real Estate [...] happen to a more deserving imbecile– other right-wing Republicans are taking his side and telling Limbaugh to shut up already and stick to his trained seal act. Share and [...]
  23. Posted by Jack
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    Jack With the Democrats now making excuses again for failing to deliver ANYTHING since the Reagan era to their most steadfast supporters, organized labor, and with the Republicans now falling either to Rush Limbaugh or whoever can't stand him, it's a little like the plot to "A Fistfull of Dollars:" Dems on one side, the Repubs on the other and the independents in the middle. It's the perfect time in history to watch a bunch of criminals kill each other off and scoop up the political poker chips that both sides have abandoned in their quest to destroy each other. The only thing more fun to watch has been the destruction from within: progressives attacking moderates in the Democratic Party; Rushites obediently denouncing everyone who doesn't bow and scrape before their fat, drug-addicted blowhard as a RINO (Republican in name only); ah, the savory ambiance of duopoly's last ferment from wine to vinegar. And at the center of the riot are the dittoheads, protecting their Fuhrer as though he's the second coming of Jesus Christ. How pleasing it will be to watch both parties, who sold their votes to the corporate interests, go the way of the Whigs and the Federalists--who were equally corrupt.