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		<title>By: Cars can get quite the reaction out of people &#124; American Cars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cars can get quite the reaction out of people &#124; American Cars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Obama&#039;s massive spending plans are certainly one cause of the tea parties.  The left complains that President Bush spent too much, which is true; however, they consistently fail to mention that Obama plans to leave W. in his dust when it comes to government spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Obama&#8217;s massive spending plans are certainly one cause of the tea parties.  The left complains that President Bush spent too much, which is true; however, they consistently fail to mention that Obama plans to leave W. in his dust when it comes to government spending.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Merritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CS: I should have added the bailouts to the post.  Unlike the left&#039;s traditional narrative, I haven&#039;t found too many conservatives that have supported this corporate welfare.  Or, at least, all of it.  Ironically, both the left and right seem to stand united in their criticism of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CS: I should have added the bailouts to the post.  Unlike the left&#8217;s traditional narrative, I haven&#8217;t found too many conservatives that have supported this corporate welfare.  Or, at least, all of it.  Ironically, both the left and right seem to stand united in their criticism of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Garland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The money spent on Iraq was horribly misspent and a result of pure ideology. The stimulus and bail-outs, while partially flawed in the same respects, do not approach the same severity, and it should be noted that some are using the relative stability in Iraq to partially vindicate Bush&#039;s immense investment of life and money in the invasion - why can&#039;t Obama&#039;s spending get the same perspective? I&#039;m still undecided on whether the protests are spontaneous or the work of some partisan right-wing group, but I mainly feel that in any case both the right and the left aren&#039;t being very credible on government spending or the current protests against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The money spent on Iraq was horribly misspent and a result of pure ideology. The stimulus and bail-outs, while partially flawed in the same respects, do not approach the same severity, and it should be noted that some are using the relative stability in Iraq to partially vindicate Bush&#8217;s immense investment of life and money in the invasion &#8211; why can&#8217;t Obama&#8217;s spending get the same perspective? I&#8217;m still undecided on whether the protests are spontaneous or the work of some partisan right-wing group, but I mainly feel that in any case both the right and the left aren&#8217;t being very credible on government spending or the current protests against it.</p>
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		<title>By: Patch W Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.theatlanticright.com/2009/04/14/are-the-tea-parties-a-delayed-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-90381</link>
		<dc:creator>Patch W Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cstanley Those that do as you describe are not interested in the Constitution or in it&#039;s Preservation.  They are interested in Power and the Means to obtain and hold it.

That is the Danger of &quot; Political Parties&quot;...That they may be more interested in Their Preservation more than the Preservation of the Country or the Constitution. 

Which is why having just two Parties is not a Choice but a Danger. The System would be better off with many more Parties that were considered Mainstream instead of the Dreaded Title of &quot;Third Parties&quot; like they were Lepers.

WE are all Americans and we are not all going to agree on everything.  But we should always preserve the right to Disagree on anything..no matter who is in Power.  But that will only be possible with the Return of Contistutionl Government and the Preservation of the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cstanley Those that do as you describe are not interested in the Constitution or in it&#8217;s Preservation.  They are interested in Power and the Means to obtain and hold it.</p>
<p>That is the Danger of &#8221; Political Parties&#8221;&#8230;That they may be more interested in Their Preservation more than the Preservation of the Country or the Constitution. </p>
<p>Which is why having just two Parties is not a Choice but a Danger. The System would be better off with many more Parties that were considered Mainstream instead of the Dreaded Title of &#8220;Third Parties&#8221; like they were Lepers.</p>
<p>WE are all Americans and we are not all going to agree on everything.  But we should always preserve the right to Disagree on anything..no matter who is in Power.  But that will only be possible with the Return of Contistutionl Government and the Preservation of the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Patch W Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.theatlanticright.com/2009/04/14/are-the-tea-parties-a-delayed-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-90380</link>
		<dc:creator>Patch W Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the Typos...lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the Typos&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: Patch W Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.theatlanticright.com/2009/04/14/are-the-tea-parties-a-delayed-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-90379</link>
		<dc:creator>Patch W Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Tea Partier I can only Speak for Myself.  

The Move to UnConstitutionl Government has been in evidence especially since the New Deal.  Every Administration since has done nothing to Correct it, but have instead moved this country a little bit closer to outright Socialism/Communism.  The Reason the Tea Parties are happening now is that This Administration has not moved us closer in little steps like past Administrations but Giant Leaps.  This sudden Lurch towards the Complete Destruction of the Constitution has awakened Many to the Threat that has always been there...but has not always been obvious.

The Tea Parties are a Call for a Return to Constitutional Government...Taxes and Irresponsible Budget Practices are just symptoms of the larger Problem.

The Parties are Broken...It is Time for New Consitutional Parties to Emerge and Salvage the Greatest Nation on Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Tea Partier I can only Speak for Myself.  </p>
<p>The Move to UnConstitutionl Government has been in evidence especially since the New Deal.  Every Administration since has done nothing to Correct it, but have instead moved this country a little bit closer to outright Socialism/Communism.  The Reason the Tea Parties are happening now is that This Administration has not moved us closer in little steps like past Administrations but Giant Leaps.  This sudden Lurch towards the Complete Destruction of the Constitution has awakened Many to the Threat that has always been there&#8230;but has not always been obvious.</p>
<p>The Tea Parties are a Call for a Return to Constitutional Government&#8230;Taxes and Irresponsible Budget Practices are just symptoms of the larger Problem.</p>
<p>The Parties are Broken&#8230;It is Time for New Consitutional Parties to Emerge and Salvage the Greatest Nation on Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, Patch- but I think it&#039;s significant to note that some of the same people who have an interest in creating a dependent class of voters are sometimes proponents of abandoning some of the characteristics of &#039;Republic&#039; in favor of a more pure democracy (eg, wanting to abolish the Electoral College, promoting federal government interventions over federalist experimentation by the states, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, Patch- but I think it&#8217;s significant to note that some of the same people who have an interest in creating a dependent class of voters are sometimes proponents of abandoning some of the characteristics of &#8216;Republic&#8217; in favor of a more pure democracy (eg, wanting to abolish the Electoral College, promoting federal government interventions over federalist experimentation by the states, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Patch W Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.theatlanticright.com/2009/04/14/are-the-tea-parties-a-delayed-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-90377</link>
		<dc:creator>Patch W Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Galien...The Problem with that Debate is that We are a Republic...Not a Democracy.

Big Difference..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Galien&#8230;The Problem with that Debate is that We are a Republic&#8230;Not a Democracy.</p>
<p>Big Difference..</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there&#039;s a famous quote about that, I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s correctly attributed, but I think it&#039;s said to come from a guy named Tytler- it&#039;s something along the lines of &quot;A democracy will continue to exist until such time that the majority learns it can vote itself generous gifts from the public treasury.&quot;

Seems logical that that would be a tipping point, because what motivation would people have to vote against spending that they want for their own districts or personal gain, if they don&#039;t have to pay for it? Fiscal responsibility is always a harder sell than high spending is anyway- and that&#039;s even when people do have tax dollars on the line. If it&#039;s someone else&#039;s money, who cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there&#8217;s a famous quote about that, I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s correctly attributed, but I think it&#8217;s said to come from a guy named Tytler- it&#8217;s something along the lines of &#8220;A democracy will continue to exist until such time that the majority learns it can vote itself generous gifts from the public treasury.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems logical that that would be a tipping point, because what motivation would people have to vote against spending that they want for their own districts or personal gain, if they don&#8217;t have to pay for it? Fiscal responsibility is always a harder sell than high spending is anyway- and that&#8217;s even when people do have tax dollars on the line. If it&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s money, who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine, we had this debate at Dagelijkse Standaard recently. One of the commenters quoted someone (don&#039;t remember who right now) who said that democracy&#039;s weakness is that sooner or later the majority understands it can steal from the richer minority with impunity. At that moment, the person who promises the majority the most candy wins elections.

That&#039;s what you describe as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine, we had this debate at Dagelijkse Standaard recently. One of the commenters quoted someone (don&#8217;t remember who right now) who said that democracy&#8217;s weakness is that sooner or later the majority understands it can steal from the richer minority with impunity. At that moment, the person who promises the majority the most candy wins elections.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what you describe as well.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s been a simmering anger over fiscal irresponsibility, which may have been stifled as you suggest, MM, by a desire to support Bush during wartime.

I think then the nomination of McCain further angered people who are strong fiscal conservatives who wanted a more ideologically pure candidate for the GOP (I don&#039;t happen to agree with that, because the sorts of fiscons who hold a negative view of McCain are the ones who believe that fiscal conservatism is all about tax cuts, all the time- McCain has been reasonably hawkish about spending which is the kind of fiscal responsibility that I believe we should be promoting.) Nonetheless, although I disagree with that opinion, I think it is accurate to say that this angered conservatives.

I think the Ron Paul movement focused on putting an end to big spending and growth of the federal government&#039;s reach (among other things) which is being tapped into.

I think the series of policies set into motion last year, bailing out banks and other companies, and then authorizing a large &#039;stimulus&#039; bill (which lumped short term spending projects and relief with long term wish list fulfillment for the Democratic party) was a flashpoint.

I think Obama&#039;s ideologic comfort level with redistribution is a big concern for conservatives (manifested, unfortunately in the very non-intellectual arguments of Joe the Plumber, and elevation of his status way beyond what he deserves.) I think that many of us feel that he&#039;s ushering in future tax hikes, in the form of some hidden taxes like cap and trade as well as future increases starting with top earners and gradually working its way down when that no longer generates enough revenue. Meanwhile, he seems determined to expand the numbers of people (voters) who don&#039;t pay any income tax at all- and that number is now dangerously close to 50% of voters (who will no longer be stakeholders in fiscal responsibility as they can vote for spending they desire, paid for by revenue derived from others.)

And yes, I think some of the sentiment reflects partisanship and a liberating effect on conservatives who feel much more comfortable protesting against a Democratic administration than a GOP one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s been a simmering anger over fiscal irresponsibility, which may have been stifled as you suggest, MM, by a desire to support Bush during wartime.</p>
<p>I think then the nomination of McCain further angered people who are strong fiscal conservatives who wanted a more ideologically pure candidate for the GOP (I don&#8217;t happen to agree with that, because the sorts of fiscons who hold a negative view of McCain are the ones who believe that fiscal conservatism is all about tax cuts, all the time- McCain has been reasonably hawkish about spending which is the kind of fiscal responsibility that I believe we should be promoting.) Nonetheless, although I disagree with that opinion, I think it is accurate to say that this angered conservatives.</p>
<p>I think the Ron Paul movement focused on putting an end to big spending and growth of the federal government&#8217;s reach (among other things) which is being tapped into.</p>
<p>I think the series of policies set into motion last year, bailing out banks and other companies, and then authorizing a large &#8216;stimulus&#8217; bill (which lumped short term spending projects and relief with long term wish list fulfillment for the Democratic party) was a flashpoint.</p>
<p>I think Obama&#8217;s ideologic comfort level with redistribution is a big concern for conservatives (manifested, unfortunately in the very non-intellectual arguments of Joe the Plumber, and elevation of his status way beyond what he deserves.) I think that many of us feel that he&#8217;s ushering in future tax hikes, in the form of some hidden taxes like cap and trade as well as future increases starting with top earners and gradually working its way down when that no longer generates enough revenue. Meanwhile, he seems determined to expand the numbers of people (voters) who don&#8217;t pay any income tax at all- and that number is now dangerously close to 50% of voters (who will no longer be stakeholders in fiscal responsibility as they can vote for spending they desire, paid for by revenue derived from others.)</p>
<p>And yes, I think some of the sentiment reflects partisanship and a liberating effect on conservatives who feel much more comfortable protesting against a Democratic administration than a GOP one.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik R Clausen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henrik R Clausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &#039;bailout&#039; packages opened the subject. It didn&#039;t matter much if it was under the Bush or the Obama administrations, as they have pretty much the same gang of Wall Street fat cats as advisors. While the actual policies behind the packages had been running for a while, making the packages an object of direct policy was too much - it became too obvious that the politicians, be it Republicans or Democrats, are squandering taxpayer money, fast and future, with little regard to those who have to do the actual paying. 

Rewarding failure is not the American way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8216;bailout&#8217; packages opened the subject. It didn&#8217;t matter much if it was under the Bush or the Obama administrations, as they have pretty much the same gang of Wall Street fat cats as advisors. While the actual policies behind the packages had been running for a while, making the packages an object of direct policy was too much &#8211; it became too obvious that the politicians, be it Republicans or Democrats, are squandering taxpayer money, fast and future, with little regard to those who have to do the actual paying. </p>
<p>Rewarding failure is not the American way.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO - doesn&#039;t really matter.  The left&#039;s crying hypocrisy depends on the believer following two flawed thought processes.

1) that the Left had fiscal restraint during Bush&#039;s term.  (They obstructed on everything else but spending)
2) that somehow saying that it happened for 8 years before means no reason to control spending now.  This budget is signed, sealed and delivered by the Libs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO &#8211; doesn&#8217;t really matter.  The left&#8217;s crying hypocrisy depends on the believer following two flawed thought processes.</p>
<p>1) that the Left had fiscal restraint during Bush&#8217;s term.  (They obstructed on everything else but spending)<br />
2) that somehow saying that it happened for 8 years before means no reason to control spending now.  This budget is signed, sealed and delivered by the Libs.</p>
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