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Several weeks ago, a post here at PoliGazette prompted an extended discussion about the nature of atheism.  Along with a couple of others, I contended that atheism has often allowed itself to be dominated or at least publicly represented by a coterie of militants who have given the atheist movement a strongly negative orientation.  Basically, atheism has become defined by its contempt towards religion and religious people and any positive message has been almost entirely lost.

Several commenters took exception to this depiction, insisting that I didn’t know what I was talking about and that the atheist message was rarely if ever intrinsically linked to anti-religious prejudice and hatred.  Unfortunately for the skeptics, the Freedom From Religion Foundation has made my point for me in the most public way possible in Washington state.  The display indicates that atheism is not limited to non-belief in God, but includes a very aggressive hatred towards believers even in a relatively brief and entirely voluntary summary of its views by its own most public adherents.

The FFRF sign, included by the force of neutrality laws in a holiday display, comes in three parts:

The first proclaims the atheist reliance on reason and stakes a claim on the holiday season:

At this season of the winter solstice may reason prevail.

There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world.

Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.

The first section seems entirely legitimate and if the FFRF had chosen to leave it at that, it would have constituted a point of response for defenders of atheist groups. The second treads up to the line of negativism with a gratuitous and largely irrelevant observation that serves no purpose except a pejorative implication against religious believers during the highest religious holidays in our society — caddish, but not obstreperously so. The third part, however, is so far over the top in its blatant bigotry as to require condemnation from any fair-minded person, including both believers and atheists.

Imagine if a public nativity scene also included an add-on sign that said, “oh, yeah, also, atheists suck”.  Such a gratuitous addition would not only rightly offend atheists, it would probably be removed from the display entirely.  But with this atheist proclamation, that option is not available because the anti-religion hatred is intrinsic to the FFRF’s holiday message.

There seems no way for atheists to claim provocation as a defense here, either.  Nativity scenes and Christmas trees may be an unwelcome reminder of the popularity of dominant religious and derivative interpretations of the holiday seasons, but they do not in any way explicitly condemn or exclude non-believers.  The sign from the FFRF strides contemptuously across the line of common courtesy and civility and does so in an arrogant and self-righteous manner that clearly demonstrates that these vices are not isolated to religious fundamentalists as much as atheists would like us to believe they are.

To be clear (and to pre-empt the inevitable misrepresentation from atheists in comments), I am not saying that the sign should be removed.  It is clearly legally required that any state-sanctioned holiday display allow contributions from all religious and non-religious perspectives.  But the fact that it is legal does not make it morally or ethically proper to undertake gratuitous and unprovoked attacks during a religious holiday season nor does it exempt hateful content from criticism.  Fundamentalist religious bigots are subject to criticism when they make their bile public, so also should militant atheist bigots be.

As long as such material continues to be the public front of the atheist movement, I do not think it is unreasonable for non-atheists to conclude that the atheist movement is, at its heart, rather bigoted and contemptuous towards others. Whether such hate is intrinsic to atheism is a matter for legitimate debate, but atheists who want to claim it is not so should be more active in stepping up to condemn the excesses pouring forth from their own ranks year after year after year.

As long as the public representatives of atheism remain fixated on being against religion, it will remain difficult to see atheism as being for anything.

  1. Posted by Tom
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    Tom It may not be unreasonable to see atheists as extremists, if you base your views upon the most visible proponents, the ones who get the most media attention. However, I'm not sure how many atheists are in agreement with the FFRA, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens. I may well be that, like many groups/organizations, the leadership may be more extreme than the rank and file. And that assumes that there's a clear definition of "atheism", which I'm not sure there is. At what point does someone become an atheist? What differentiates an atheist from an agnostic, or someone who calls themselves "spiritual but not religious"?
  2. Posted by Keith
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    Keith Yea, atheist do indeed "suck". We suck the wind out of the sails of religion in general and Christianity in particular. Go "A" team go!
  3. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C Keith, you are totally missing (or ignoring) the point... Imagine if a public nativity scene also included an add-on sign that said, “oh, yeah, also, atheists suck”. Such a gratuitous addition would not only rightly offend atheists, it would probably be removed from the display entirely. But with this atheist proclamation, that option is not available because the anti-religion hatred is intrinsic to the FFRF’s holiday message. It has nothing to do with religion, but more with equal treatment of religion.
  4. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C sorry, not religion, perhaps I should have said "world view" and or religion.
  5. Posted by Jason, Managing Editor
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    Jason, Managing Editor
    However, I’m not sure how many atheists are in agreement with the FFRA, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens. I may well be that, like many groups/organizations, the leadership may be more extreme than the rank and file.
    Well, since so few of them feel any need to actually speak out against the extremists which claim to speak for them, you will have to understand if some of the rest of us infer that silence in consent. I actually waited over a week before I wrote about this issue in the hopes that at least SOME of the non-militant atheists out there would take the opportunity to condemn this gratuitous viciousness. It never came. Now we'll see if any of them are willing to unequivocally condemn it now that I am specifically pointing it out or whether they will just try to change the subject like they have in the past.
  6. Posted by raytheist
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    raytheist This discussion has come up elsewhere, re: "militant atheism" vs. ordinary atheists who have no particular bone to pick in either direction and simply wish to be left alone. From what I've seen, the more vocal and assertive atheists (like me) often come from a background in fundamentalist religion and/or have some significant negative personal experience with religion/religious people. Other atheists, who have never before been involved inside religion don't have the personal investment in being noticeable (vocally) outside of religion now. That's not a scientific theory, just an observation from among the people I know, but it might be worth exploration.
  7. Posted by benjdm
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    benjdm
    Now we’ll see if any of them are willing to unequivocally condemn it
    Plenty of us FFRF members have emailed FFRF about the sign. Seattle Atheists issued a press release condemning it: http://seattleatheists.org/wordpress/2008/12/06/press-release-ffrf-plaque/ The last sentence shouldn't be there in a holiday display.
  8. Posted by Jason, Managing Editor
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    Jason, Managing Editor FULL MARKS to the Seattle Atheists for being willing to step up and stand on principle even against others in their own ranks. Some of what is said in that comments thread indicates that concerns about the broader atheist movement are valid still.
  9. Posted by Jason, Managing Editor
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    Jason, Managing Editor raytheist, If I have a negative experience while living in a majority-black community, would I be then justified in becoming an anti-black racist?
  10. Posted by raytheist
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    raytheist No, not in my opinion. I'm not sure the connection (racism/religion) works all the way, though. I can only explain by personal experience: I was a Pentecostal minister, I've been within the fundamentalist movement, so I know their arguments and the damage done by some of their members. I'm not against religious people, but against the religion itself that causes some of its members to behave so badly. Being a member of a religion is largely a choice, albeit sometimes a cultural choice imposed during childhood, yet nevertheless the tenets of a religion are open for challenge. My brother, on the other hand, was never involved in any religion and has no concern one way or the other, but admits he could not be a Mason because he doesn't acknowledge a Supreme Being. He is atheist, but it is not an issue for him, as long as people leave him alone. I'm quite vocal because I've "been there, done that" and have few reservations about in-your-face responses if I feel the occasion calls for it. And I am quite vocal on blog in response to various news bits and so forth. For me it is important, for my brother is not, and I suspect it is because of our different experience (or lack thereof) with religion. I'm not out to eradicate religion, or the peripheral good it does along the way. I just wish people to keep their religion to themselves. if they want to wear their religion on their sleeve or argue for things already disproven by science, I have no problem speaking up in whatever way seems appropriate to the situation. If religious groups wish to display their religion in the state building, I see no harm in a non-religious/other-religious group posting something as well. Perhaps the FFRF sign was a bit extreme in the language it used, but I don't fault them for having their sign posted. As a young teen I was molested by a black man nearly twice my size, and some might say I'd be justified in fearing all large black men. I also lived in predominately black New Orleans for 17 years pre-Katrina, and was on the receiving end of anti-white sentiment and behavior from local blacks. But because I did live and work among mostly blacks, I knew that the actions of a few didn't reflect the character of the rest of the people who mostly want the same as what I want: a home, clothes, food, nice neighborhood, and so forth. Members of a racial identity are so by birth, through no fault or choice of their own. I'm not sure that answers your question, or even makes sense to anyone else.
  11. Posted by Tom
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    Tom Not quite sure that makes sense to me... I do question about what you mean when you say "religion", which you say you oppose. When people say they oppose "religion" they usually mean the more conservative Christian forms. By itself, "religion" is so broad a term that it's hard to define. And it's hard to see how you could retain the "peripheral good" of religion if people simply kept it to themselves.
  12. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C "Perhaps the FFRF sign was a bit extreme in the language it used, but I don’t fault them for having their sign posted. " raytheist, To me the question is, shouldn't you take just as much exception with the extreme language that you see on this sign, as you would someone in your face about a religion you don't agree with? (rather than saying gee, I guess what they said was a little extreme) If not, how is that not hipocracy?
  13. Posted by C3
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    C3
    Tom : However, I’m not sure how many atheists are in agreement with the FFRA, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens. I may well be that, like many groups/organizations, the leadership may be more extreme than the rank and file.
    There's a hierarchy and rank and file? (or should we call them "lay" atheists"). Gosh, this is sounding like organized religion!
  14. Posted by Jason
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    Jason An important point that most people forget is that viewing all atheists based on the actions of the FFRF, American Atheists, or any other collection of atheists is the same as judging all theists based on the actions of a single subcategory of theism. Would Christians want to be judged based on the things Islamic terrorists have done? Are the deeds of Hindus representative of Mormon beliefs? There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of different branches of theism out there - I don't know what would make anyone think all atheists share the same views. I'm sorry if the rejection of the more extreme atheist views represented by a few figureheads has been quiet, but like most atheists I don't belong to an organization, and the papers haven't exactly been beating down my door for a press release.
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  16. Posted by Claudia, Assistant Editor
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    Claudia, Assistant Editor The sign really bugs me. What a bunch of scrooges really. I would have been fine with a "Be good for goodness sake" or "Don't believe in God? You are not alone" sign. I'm fine with the exercise of free speech and the reminder that if overt religious promotions are to be allowed in government buildings, overtly non-religious displays will have to be treated the same way, but I think this sign is simply unnecessarily offensive. There's just no need to make this argument in that fashion next so a patently non-aggressive Christmas display, even if it was inside the statehouse. I understand why they did it, but I think it was tone-deaf and counterproductive.
  17. Posted by Mike
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    Mike When I first heard of the sign in passing, I didn't understand what the fuss was about. But now that I read it again more carefully, I see what you are saying. The last line definitely goes too far. You gave the hypothetical example of a sign that says "atheists suck", and another example would be a sign from a Christian church saying "Jews are wrong". While it might be true that Christians think Jews are wrong (by definition, they must think they are wrong about at least one thing), but to put that on a sign in a multi-religious holiday display is simply poor taste. And this sign is comparable to that. Whether it should be taken down or not is a legal issue that I'm not qualified to judge on, but I would hope that enough atheists in the community would be embarrassed by the sign so as to ask the group to take it down (or at least remove the last line). I know if a Christian church put up a sign saying negative things about Jews, I certainly would not be OK with it (being a Christian).
  18. Posted by Sashha
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    Sashha I really like the atheist sign. If you do too, please join. http://ffrf.org/membership/ The sign is offensive to some, so what? Oh, the Nativity scene with Jesus is not offensive? Sorry, I didn't know I was suppose to ignore the fact that Jesus said I will be tortured for all eternity in a lake of fire, just because there isn't a sign next to the nativity scene saying so. Oops! Atheists are forced to spend money with "God" on it. Their children are pressured to say "under God" each day during The Pledge in school. Christian TV, radio, music, and even the Bible gets their shots in. Read Psalm 14:1 lately? It insults non-believers and is in bookstores everywhere. Why don't you write an article about that? So all that above, what Christians do, is not rude or offensive enough for you to write about, but when some tiny atheist group puts up one tiny sign (which got stolen, essentially proving their point) in the corner of some tiny building, it's enough to get your panties all in a bunch and write write write protest protest protest. How about some proportionality? Give me a break.
  19. Posted by Jay_C
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    Jay_C "Atheists are forced to spend money with “God” on it. Their children are pressured to say “under God” each day during The Pledge in school. Christian TV, radio, music, and even the Bible gets their shots in. Read Psalm 14:1 lately? It insults non-believers and is in bookstores everywhere. Why don’t you write an article about that?" Sasha, the sign is offensive in that it is atacking others. THey havethe right to put the sign out there, free speech and all.. but In God we trust, etc. is not in and of itself atacking anyone, you just don't agree with it being there. It is an established statement on our currency. Want to change it, fine, bring it to a vote, but don't complain when the majority of Americans do not follow your lead.
  20. Posted by Lowell
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    Lowell
    Claudia, Assistant Editor :The sign really bugs me. What a bunch of scrooges really. I would have been fine with a “Be good for goodness sake” or “Don’t believe in God? You are not alone” sign. I’m fine with the exercise of free speech and the reminder that if overt religious promotions are to be allowed in government buildings, overtly non-religious displays will have to be treated the same way, but I think this sign is simply unnecessarily offensive. There’s just no need to make this argument in that fashion next so a patently non-aggressive Christmas display, even if it was inside the statehouse. I understand why they did it, but I think it was tone-deaf and counterproductive.
    Offensive? The daily barrage of Christianity intruding into places it doesn't belong (publicly owned facilities supported by everyone's taxes, atheists included) is offensive. Frankly, I find the Christian message itself offensive. Don't confuse that with the love preached by Jesus, I'm talking about the message of hate and bigotry. From radio to TV, newspapers, billboards, even the web, there is an abundance of Christian media constantly condemning non-believers (and others) and gleefully threatening us with hellfire. Not to mention the numerous "news" pundits who like to hop on the anti-atheist bandwagon. But post ONE sign to the contrary, and watch the faithful swarm to attack like enraged hornets. Seriously, is there a severe deficit of churches, businesses, and private property willing to host religious displays? Is a statehouse/courthouse supported by my atheist tax money the ONLY place they can find to display them? There's obviously a double standard here. Jay_C wrote: "but In God we trust, etc. is not in and of itself atacking anyone, you just don’t agree with it being there." Not attacking anyone? When did I suddenly cease to be one of "We The People"? In god YOU trust, (yippee) but neither my government nor my currency should be telling me that _I_ do.
  21. Posted by Claudia, Assistant Editor
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    Claudia, Assistant Editor Lowell, it was a manger scene. It was not some fire and brimstone warning about hell. I agree that an overt promotion of a certain religion should not be in a statehouse, but the fact that the sign was allowed to be put up shows that there was no discrimination occurring. Presumably a Muslim or Wiccan display would have been equally welcome. Personally, I think it would be much simpler to ask people to keep their religion or lack thereof off government buildings, but this situation is hardly the most dire. Overreacting to this is a little like the "War on Christmas". Yes, "In God We Trust" should not be on the money and "One Nation, Under God" is a late add-on that was never in the original pledge and should not be forced into the current one. But putting a sign up next to a manger scene that invokes negativity is counterproductive. It is not a Ten Commandments stone implying that morality must come from the Bible, it is the re-enactment of the myth of the birth of the human-god of a particular religion. They could have put a sign up with a positive message and I would have been fine with that, but I don't think that particular sign helps us at all.
  22. Posted by Interested
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    Interested there is nothing wrong with In God We Trust on currency. Examination would show it fits not only with the Constitution but also the Framer's writings. I personally have no problem with the sign - they can make a 50 foot tall one for all I care. My freedom of speech allows me to tell them what I think and my freedom of choice allows me to not support those organizations. We could use a whole lot less thin skins.
  23. Posted by C Stanley
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    C Stanley
    Don’t confuse that with the love preached by Jesus, I’m talking about the message of hate and bigotry. From radio to TV, newspapers, billboards, even the web, there is an abundance of Christian media constantly condemning non-believers (and others) and gleefully threatening us with hellfire.
    I freely admit that we all filter information through our own biases and often don't notice things that simply don't affect or bother us- but honestly, when I read stuff like this I wonder if some people live in an alternate universe. Sure, I've heard the occasional fundamentalist preacher talk about fire and brimstone, but in Catholicism and most mainstream Protestant churches I've visited this is almost NEVER the case (almost to the point that some Catholics feel that we've de-emphasized this theological viewpoint too much, so that some believe that anything goes and God will forgive even if we don't repent.) But my point is, where are you actually hearing such stuff thrust upon you in the public sphere? On religious broadcasts on obscure TV and radio stations? Turn the dial. Are there more subtle messages on billboards and such? Sure, but then you neglect to consider that the people who spread that message are motivated by caring, not hatred. They're not condemning atheists, they're stating their belief that God will condemn nonbelievers and asking people to consider that before dismissing it. And that's leaving aside the greater principle- that our First Amendment guarantees the right for people to express such opinions; you have the right to express yours as well, but you don't have the right to have opinions censored from the public sphere if they offend you. In that sense, I think Jason's point (echoed by some others here) is very valid- the atheists have every right to post the sign, but as Claudia points out it is tone deaf, and as JayC mentions, it's the opposite side of the coin of the type of religious message which is 'in your face' and condemning of those who disagree.
  24. Posted by C Stanley
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    C Stanley Oh, the Nativity scene with Jesus is not offensive? You're offended by an infant in a stable? Sheesh.
  25. Posted by Raytheism
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    Raytheism "Nothing is either good or bad but thinking makes it so." Shakespeare. Here's the problem: You have interpreted the sign to be read in a specific way. There are many ways to read the sign. Your interpretive tone is the problem, the sign is just a sign. Words, that's all. It's in the way you are reading it that's the issue. The other problem is the sign being on governmental property in the first place. This action indicates that there is no separation of church and state. I would have the same problem if any religion placed their icons there. Either put a menorah (Judaism) in there with everyone dressed up in dshikis (Kwanzaa) and add 3 stars to represent Orion's belt (for the Pagans, you know) or avoid putting it there in the first place.
  26. Posted by Mike
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    Mike I personally want to object to the terminology "militant atheism." When atheists vehemently project our beliefs (I understand how this sign could offend people, but that's not the point of my argument) we're called "militant", but when Christians do the same thing (I bring up Pat Robertson as an example) they're called "devout." Why are we labeled with terms akin to violence?
  27. Posted by Naumadd
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    Naumadd But of course, "atheism" has only a negative nature. The label itself is merely to identify the negative of a certain set of positive assertions, chiefly "There is a God." If one is speaking as an "atheist", it ought to be taken for granted the nature of your speech is in the negative of those assertions made by theists. Of course, to say that one is an "atheist" is perhaps less accurate than to say one is not a theist. What remains to examine are one's own positive assertions about this belief or that belief, this practice or that practice. "Atheism" must needs be skeptical and critical in nature. Certainly, rebuttal to theist assertions is necessary, however, if one wants to know what an individual does believe in rather than what they do not, one must leave the "atheism vs. theism" debate behind to then discover and examine that individual's positive assertions about the nature of existence, the source of and path to knowledge, rational and irrational values, their approach to human relations, and their estimations of beauty - their metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, politics and aesthetics. To say that "atheism" is always negative isn't very revealing. Of course it is negative to a theist. It is a concept derived from their own beliefs to identify those who disagree with theistic views. I'm quite certain every individual identified or self-identifying as "atheist" has a set of positive assertions that become the basis for the rejection of the positive assertions of theism. Rather than the theist focusing on skepticism toward their own views, to actually understanding one who believes differently than themselves, they ought to inquire as to what that individual believes to be true versus what they belief to be untrue. The first will be the basis of the second and of much greater relevance. To focus on what another DOES believe rather than what they DON'T believe puts any discussion in a positive direction. Although "theist" is a positive label, the inherent negative nature of "atheist" tells you nothing positive about a person and, in all fairness, that is what you ought to be after in relationships. What kind of silliness is it to relate to anyone based on what they are not versus what they in fact are? This is a lesson both theists and "atheists" ought to remember.