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aylin ata Armenia’s attitude towards Turkey’s land integrity: Article 11 of the Armenian Declaration of Independence of August 23, 1990; refers to Eastern Anatolia of Turkey as Western Armenia and as such beholds that this area is part of Armenia.  Since the Armenian constitution recognizes as a basis “the fundamental principles of the Armenian statehood and national aspirations engraved in the Declaration of Independence of Armenia”, it likewise accepts the characterization of Eastern Anatolia as Western Armenia and this, albeit indirectly, translates into the advancement of territorial claims. The Armenian politicians and school books call Eastern Anatolia of Turkey,  ‘invaded mother land of Armenia’ and in Armenia the school children are being grown up being conditioned to be patriots to rescue their invaded land. Even the marches they sing are about this condition. The Armenians who write in such blogs that the Eastern Anatolia cities do not belong to Turkey, as if the present Eastern boundaries of Turkey was not determined by treaties of Gumru (1920), Moscow (1921) and the whole boundaries by Lausanne (1923) Treaties; after the Turkish Freedom War.  Additionally Armenia refused Turkey’s recurrent offers to commit an agreement declaring that each country recognizes the other country’s land integrity, in 1992 and later. Why do the Armenians force Turkey to accept a genocide? The answer is hidden in a speech of  the chief of Dashnak Party Hrant Markaryan who told that their efforts for the recognition of Armenian (so-called) genocide was not an isolated purpose but it was a part of the struggle for rescue of the West Armenia (Armenian Forum Vol2 No 4; Armenian Weekly On-line, 18 June, 4 July 2003). The Armenian then prime minister Andranik Markaryan told that the internationally recognition of (so called) Armenian genocide and demanding land from Ankara as 'compensation' was possible only after Armenia had strengthened and the Armenians should not have told that they demanded land from Ankara loudly and everywhere (Arminfo 26 May 2004). On one occasion President Kocharian stated that since today’s Armenia does not have the clout to advance such demands, doing so should be left to future generations at a time when conditions would hopefully be better suited to this end'.  A poll taken in Armenia revealed that almost all youngsters in the Republic of Armenia wished to follow up with land claims from Turkey and 90% of them said Turkey must unequivocally accept genocide allegations. (Milliyet - April 11, 2006)The world should not forget that Germany's claim on Zudetland and Gdansk just because they were its historical lands caused burst of World War II! History is full of wars which broke up because of claims of states on their historical lands.  If an item like the aforementioned Armenian item were present in the lawbook of Mexico claiming that Texas, Arizonna, New Mexico and  California which were historical lands of Mexico, belonged to Mexico but invaded, would the American tolerate it? Therefore the world should not overlook Armenia’s aggressivity, which is hidden behind their role of victim and should think about the price of their support to the Armenians very well.

Scarlet If Armenians have convinced the majority of the world population that genocide against their ancestors have been committed..why is it so important for them to pressure Turkey to accept these accusations? Does Armenia or the Diaspora Armenians really 'care' about what Turkey thinks and say on this matter?  The answer is No. So the only reason is, once the Turkish Government 'admits' to a genocide, the Armenians can start drawing out their plans to annex Eastern Turkey to Armenia. This has been the Dashnaks purpose for the past 90 years, and the genocide campaign is their multi billion dollar business to achieve this unrealistic dream. Although they  have convinced their own people as well as most countries that there was this horrendous 'ethnic cleansing' committed against their people, the truth will somehow prevail and the deceitful plan of genocide of the Armenians will go down in history as one of the greatest historical lies ever documented. And this is what Armenians everywhere will be recognized for. At the end,Turkey will be the one demanding reperations for the slandering of Ottoman History and for racial discrimination against people of Turkish origin, whom are being attacked and abused everywhere by some hateful Armenians. The truth is inevitable and will surface no matter how many countries illegally have passed Resolutions against Turkey.

JanJan Scarlet, the entire Armenian history located within Turkey lies in ruins or has been completely destroyed. Everything an entire generation of Armenians owned, where they lived, their lives were wiped out. The few remaining signs that Armenians were ever there are in total ruins and used as mosques, barns, or silos. Even the one restoration effort, Akhtamar church, is described as a "Byzantine castle" on the sign at the site, aka Armenians never existed here and if they did it was their own fault they all died and no longer do. Anyone who would like this to continue and doom the last vestiges of Armenian civilization in Turkey to obscurity and destruction then they should follow your advise and be content with Turkey's stance today. If you can see why they might feel otherwise though then you might be able to understand the continued pressure on Turkey. If you don't believe me see for yourself on this great website: http://www.virtualani.org/ - English http://www.virtualani.org/citymap-turkish.htm - Turkish

Lucrèce Scarlet, the entire Armenian history located within Turkey lies in ruins or has been completely destroyed.That’s false. There are around 70,000 Turkish Armenians in Istanbul, and around 60,000 Armenian citizens who life in Turkey. Fortunately, this Armenians are much more open and tolerant than the dashnaks or the hunchakists:http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=90022The few remaining signs that Armenians were ever there are in total ruins and used as mosques, barns, or silos.That’s right only for a part of these monuments.Before the Russian conquest, the territory of actual Armenian Republic was 80% Muslim. How many mosques remain in Armenia? How many Muslim cemeteries remain in this country? And in the part of Azerbaijan invaded and destroyed by Armenian army during the years 1991-1994?The destruction of cultural and religious monuments is unfortunately commonplace from Zagreb to Baku, and from Poland to Near East.  http://www.meforum.org/article/1108McCarthy has unearthed a horrifying and extremely important fact: that in the course of the century between the Greek war of independence and World War I, the Ottoman Empire suffered five and a half million dead and five million refugees. He deems this Europe's largest lost of life and emigration since the Thirty Years' War. Christian suffering in this time and place is well-known; McCarthy shows the other side, that "Muslim communities in an area as large as all of Western Europe had been diminished or destroyed." His study minutely reviews the regions and wars, pulling information from foreign and Ottoman sources to produce a compelling account.The Armenian claims to be the greatest victims are grotesque and shocking.  Even the one restoration effort, Akhtamar church, is described as a "Byzantine castle" on the sign at the site, aka Armenians never existed here and if they did it was their own fault they all died and no longer do.That’s ridiculous. The Armenian origin of this church is not denied. The Armenian diaspora was even invited by the Turkish authorities, but she refused, with her superb and legendary arrogance. I was in the public of an Armenian meeting during the last year, and I have seen the fanatical hate, the extraordinary contempt for the Turks, all the Turks, when this question was addressed.

Lucrèce Scarlet, the entire Armenian history located within Turkey lies in ruins or has been completely destroyed. That’s false. There are around 70,000 Turkish Armenians in Istanbul, and around 60,000 Armenian citizens who life in Turkey. Fortunately, this Armenians are much more open and tolerant than the dashnaks or the hunchakists: http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=90022 The few remaining signs that Armenians were ever there are in total ruins and used as mosques, barns, or silos. That’s right only for a part of these monuments.Before the Russian conquest, the territory of actual Armenian Republic was 80% Muslim. How many mosques remain in Armenia? How many Muslim cemeteries remain in this country? And in the part of Azerbaijan invaded and destroyed by Armenian army during the years 1991-1994?The destruction of cultural and religious monuments is unfortunately commonplace from Zagreb to Baku, and from Poland to Near East.   http://www.meforum.org/article/1108 McCarthy has unearthed a horrifying and extremely important fact: that in the course of the century between the Greek war of independence and World War I, the Ottoman Empire suffered five and a half million dead and five million refugees. He deems this Europe’s largest lost of life and emigration since the Thirty Years’ War. Christian suffering in this time and place is well-known; McCarthy shows the other side, that "Muslim communities in an area as large as all of Western Europe had been diminished or destroyed." His study minutely reviews the regions and wars, pulling information from foreign and Ottoman sources to produce a compelling account. The Armenian claims to be the greatest victims are grotesque and shocking.   Even the one restoration effort, Akhtamar church, is described as a "Byzantine castle" on the sign at the site, aka Armenians never existed here and if they did it was their own fault they all died and no longer do. That’s ridiculous. The Armenian origin of this church is not denied. The Armenian diaspora was even invited by the Turkish authorities, but she refused, with her superb and legendary arrogance. I was in the public of an Armenian meeting during the last year, and I have seen the fanatical hate, the extraordinary contempt for the Turks, all the Turks, when this question was addressed.

Lucrèce http://www.ataa.org/reference/devastation_az.html JanJan, a comment, perhaps?

JanJan Lucrece your reliance on links from ATAA.org has reached beyond absurd proportions. There's also an alleged non-partisan non-Turk commenter on here who says they understand both sides and agrees completely with the Turks, yet all their proof backing up why is similarly from the ATAA site. Perhaps you are the same, who knows, but until you accept propaganda from a Dashnak site don't throw that ATAA "fact pages" at me. At least the mosques of Shushi and Aghdam still stand.. meanwhile VirtualAni is a non-partisan site being that it's not made by Armenians and is utterly covered in photographic proof. They also have an interesting section about the Julfa cemetery, or should I say former Julfa Cemetery thanks to the Aliyevs and Azerbaijan as proof of the fate of just one of numerous Armenian monuments that used to be on the territory of Azerbaijan. Ironically they deny that those sites were Armenian by calling them "Albanian" in origin, but then destroy them anyway, as if to contradict their own assertion.

Michael JanJan is right. they claim that Armenians never lived on Azeri soil. The churches and cemetaries are Albanian and azeris claim they are of Albanian descent. But here is the question: If those are albanian cemetaries and churches why were you destroying the monuments of your ancestors? http://www.accc.org.uk/Book%20review%206%20R%20Galichian.pdf read this review. it is about a book written by an azeri claiming armenians never existed, all the churches, cemetaries, were albanian, all famous armenians like Mesrop Mashtotz, founder of the Armenian alphabet, David Bek, a famous political leader, were actually azeri.