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UPDATED SEVERAL TIMES BELOW: DUTCH MUSLIM ORGANIZATION GOES TO COURT

Geert Wilders has put his movie “Fitna” online. You can watch it here at this blog, but before you can watch it I want to make something very clear. That we publish this movie at this site does not, in any way whatsoever, mean that we endorse Wilders’ views. In fact, many of us – including myself – disagree very strongly with him. However, since Wilders and “Fitna” have been in the news for months, and since his film is part of a bigger debate about Islam and the integration of Muslims in Western European countries, we consider it justified to publish the film nonetheless.

Our intention is not to insult anyone.

UPDATE
Via Gateway Pundit: this moment, a Muslim group has already taken action. “A Dutch judge is due on Friday to hear the petition of a Muslim group seeking an independent review of an anti-Quran film by lawmaker Geert Wilders to see whether it violates hate speech laws.”

UPDATE II

Since “Fitna” loads quite slowly, you can download its torrent (via Hot Air). Also via Hot Air a statement of LiveLeak.com; they explain why they decided to publish the movie.

LiveLeak.com has a strict stance on remaining unbiased and allowing freedom of speech as so far as the law and our rules allow. There was no legal reason to refuse Geert Wilders the right to post his film (Fitna) on LiveLeak.com and it is not our place to censor people based on an emotive response. We in no way endorse Geert Wilders, his views, nor the views expressed within Fitna. To many of us involved in LiveLeak.com some of the messages therein are personally offensive. That being said, our being offended is no reason to deny Mr Wilders the right to have his film seen. Pre-emptive censorship or a discriminatory policy towards freedom of speech are both things we oppose here on LiveLeak.com. A person has a simple, clear choice about whether to view this film. No one is being forced to view it and nor is it being broadcasted on every channel on their television set. If you click on media simply to be annoyed, it is pointless to blame others for your choice.

We do not intend on defending the content of Fitna, only our choice to allow it. Anyone has the full right of reply on LiveLeak.com. Any person or organizations are free to post their opinion and, dependent on said response falling within both the law and our rules, we will afford such responses equal exposure. There are undoubtedly better ways to spark a discussion but this film is now out there and we believe we should all grasp this opportunity to create an open dialogue and discussion on this subject.

UPDATE III

Moderate Muslim Ali Eteraz weighs in:

I just watched Geert Wilders’ film, Fitna, The Movie. My initial reaction is a yawn. No surprise, of course. The soundtrack is Tchaikovsky’s mellow classical piece called “Arab Dance.” Quick tip to future demagogues: when trying to incite riots, try not to use musical pieces that are based on Georgian lullabies.

Anyone who has seen terrorist propaganda films is familiar with most of the scenes and most of the disgusting conflations of the Quran with acts of violence, murder, kidnapping and anti-semitism. Such behavior has been condemned resoundingly among Muslims. Those that use the Quran for illegitimate and criminal ends should be punished by the fullest extent of the law.

What I’m really wondering: is Wilders’ protesting against Islam or the monopoly extremists already have over grainy, low-budget, youtube videos? The only difference I see is that Wilders plays the best of Western classical music — an insult to the legacy of Tchaikovsky — than death chants. I guess the thing he can be credited with is upping the sound quality. Also the transubstantiation of “Fitna” into “Fin” at the end was pretty cool.

  1. Posted by Ebtihal
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    Ebtihal The Challenge I have just few words to add for Geert Wilder, the hypocrit, I challenge you if you dare to post a complete version of the Quraan in your movie. If you do this [ I know you will not dare to do it as you will be a BIG LOSER infront of God] if you do it I give up. DO POST A COMPLETE VERSION OF TEH QURAAN  then comment you ignorants and get out of your illusion of freedom of speech. let Quraan talk and then we will see. this is our challenge if you are up to it tell your Wilders to post the complete version of the quraan to his movie. salam
  2. Posted by yonason
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    yonason SO MANY FALSEHOODS, SO LITTLE TIME @Ebithal #92 "- we did not come to steal your oil and manipulate you, you did." If it weren't for Westerns scientists you wouldn't know there was oil there. If it weren't for Western engineers, you wouldn't be able to get it out, or process it. If it weren't for Western money, which we pay you for your oil, your leaders would still be desert marauders. (NOTE: I say, "your leaders" because they are the ones hogging the profits for themselves. The ordinary Arab doesn't get squat. If you want to complain about theft, complain to them, not us.) And if those leaders spent the money to benefit their people, instead of indulging themselves and supporting terrorists, everyone in the world would be a lot better off. "3-Islam did not take the world into two bloody world wars, you did." Islam did it's share, and on the side of the Nazis. "we did not kick your people out of their homes and simply ... give your land to the Jews ... you did in Palestine." You kicked Jews out of their homes all across the Middle East, and there has never been a country called "Palestine." Israel is, and always will be, Jewish Land. All anyone needs to do is look at the names of nearly all the towns, cities and regions. They are the same names the have had for thousands of years. They are the same names that were given them by Jews long before your "prophet" began his war against civilization. How dare you accuse us of theft of our land! Finally, learn some history. if America hadn't dropped the Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, many hudreds of thousands more lives would have been lost. And as to the invention of the bomb, if you were smart enough you would have done it first, and you would have used it as you so desperately want to today.
  3. Posted by yonason
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    yonason SEE THIS MOVIE TO UNDERSTAND ...that while the earlier verses in the Koran appear to be "peaceful," that latter verses are not. And it is a religions principle in Islam that the later verses invalidate the earlier ones. But it wouldn't matter if there were many seemingly violent verses in the Koran, if those verses were not interpreted violently. Unfortunately, they ARE interpreted violently. Just look carefully at any Islamic society, and you will find anything from mild intolerance to fanatical oppression. For cruelty, they are unsrupassed --Female genital mutilation, beatings, limb amputations eye removal, torture, rape, "Honor killings," hangings, stonings, crucifixion, etc., etc. It is all well documented. And it is all sanctioned by their Sharia law. The Saudis are among the worst offenders of human rights, and some of the most virulent propagators of racism, intolerance and hate on the planet. The anti-Semitism of Egypt is also extremely vile. While Arabs can buy and own land in Israel, the so-called "Palestinians" have made it a capital offense for an Arab to sell land to a Jew. And, Jordan is almost as bad. In fact, out of all the Middle Eastern countries, Israel is the most tolerant of Arabs/Muslims - much more so than Arab/Islamic ones. Some Arabs are even speaking out against the propaganda. They propagate falsehood to make others appear gulty of what they do, and themselves appear innocent. They have their nerve! And that is just a brief introduction. How dare they criticize anyone else!
  4. Posted by yonason
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    yonason LIVE LEAK WANTS... ...us to "accept one another's culture??? I will never accept some 7th century savage who thinks he has a right to kill me if I don't want to live in the dark ages with him as my lord and master. And they will never accept us, because it challenges their primative itiotology! I appreciate their concern for their staff, but kissing the terrorists behinds?  That's too much!
  5. Posted by yonason
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    yonason I appreciate Live Leak wanting to protect their staff, but to say that they hope we can learn to appreciate each others differences?  That was totally unneccessary. The whole problem is that Islam is constitutionally incapable of "appreciating" ANY differences.  And I will not "appreciate" the cult of some seventh century savage who believes he has the "right" to murder me if I don't think like he does, and if I don't want him for my lord and master.
  6. Posted by yonason
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    yonason (sorry for the duplication but I didn't think my first was accepted, and i couldn't remember exactly how I had worded it, so that's why the repost and why they are different)
  7. Posted by Danial
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    Danial admin: sorry, but you were warned about personal attacks and vulgarity. Banned
  8. Posted by Rose
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    Rose Danial I have read all but the last 90 or so pages of the entire Hadiths.  Don't try to con me, I know exactly what Islam teaches.
  9. Posted by Rose
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    Rose People please get informed.  Read the Hadiths, they are readily available on line free (so is the Quran).  While the Quran is a bunch of short pithy sayings with no context which makes it painfully dull reading .  The Hadith's on the other hand are full of context and therefore easier to read (I was going to say "more enjoyable to read" but that word choice made me cringe. -you will find things in it that are very disturbing).  Once you have a good grasp on Islam, the Arabic culture and the mindset of the 7th century, the actions of Mohammed and his followers, then you are ready to read the Quran and the short pithy sayings will now have a context in which to understand them.   Then, ain't nobody gonna con you.
  10. Posted by yonason
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    yonason "Then, ain’t nobody gonna con you." -- Rose I know where to find a searchable copy the Koran, but I don't know where to find a clear and easily readable rendition of the Hadiths.
  11. Posted by Brenda
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    Brenda 97 Danial March 29, 2008 @ 10:15 pm CET "First of all, it’s Qu’ran (or Koran in the Western sense), not "Choran". Ok, thank you for the spelling correction. I thought it was more important WHAT we write here and not HOW we write it.. I am from Holland, and I speak Dutch and 3 foreign languages. How about you? Second, try reading the Bible if you don’t think there is violence against others. There is a verse in the Bible that states those who work on the Sabbath should be subjected to the death penalty. There are plenty more but I’ll just leave it at that. I am proud to say that I HAVE READ the whole Bible, new and old testament. There is NO such verse in the Bible; if there was..you probably also would have written wich book and in wich verse. I am very well informed about what God says, also about his Sabbath, and there is no such thing as a death pennalty for those who work on Sabbath. The fact is that Wilders thinks we are all the same, so stop thinking otherwise. Wilders hates Muslims and it’s quite evident from his dislike towards the two obviously secularized Dutch Muslim MP’s.I agree that whoever threatened LiveLeak were idiots because it further reinforces the message of the video.If Wilders cares about debate, then how come he has turned down nearly every single debate with Muslims? As I have said before, I am from Holland, and Wilders repeadedly invited Muslim communities for a debate. Even after the film was released on the internet. It seems like you are not well informed and you just don't know what to say anymore then; It’s obvious because he hates them, and you have drank his Kool-Aid apparently. Wilders never said he hates Muslims. He points out the dangers of islamitic-extremist to the western democracy. I’m sure you’d see no problem if all Muslims in Europe were eradicated from the face of the Earth, don’t you? And you call yourselves "tolerant". Oh,..we are getting personal now? To answer in a adult way: I would have a problem if all the Muslimes were eradicated from the face of the Earth. In fact I have many friends that are Muslim, and I wouldn't like to miss them. I am very tolerant, towards anybody, no matter wich colour or religion. As long as they tolerate me too. Unfortunately, the Qu'ran (mind the spelling) does not tollerate people with other opinions... Also, how is Geert defending freedom of speech WHEN HE HIMSELF CALLS FOR BANNING THE QU’RAN?!    He is not asking to ban the Qu'ran. In the and of his film he calls the muslim people to rip out pages, wich preach a type op violence or terror. Get off your high horse.    I don't own a horse,..we all ride bikes here in Holland. http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/3681186/_Vader_schiet_dochter_dood__.html Need I say more?   
  12. Posted by redandwhitestripes
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    redandwhitestripes "Well done Geert! I hope you are all tucked up in your nice secure country mansion, whilst the rest of us in Holland still use the buses and trains everyday cautiously, you bloody coward." Perhaps the day that you get multiple qualifications in law, get voted for by 500,00 people, make a movie about your concerns about Islam and receive massive death threats as a response, you can have a mansion (and armed guard that strips your freedom) too. Idiot.
  13. Posted by yonason
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    yonason ISLAMOPHOBIA, SAUDI STYLE! "Not too many years ago, the remains of the Prophet Mohammed’s house in Mecca were bulldozed to construct a public toilet."
  14. Posted by Emad
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    Emad Dear all      I m moslim and I found it good chance for you to discover islam from pure sourse ; you had seen somthing never match with right humanity so how all moslims believe in that , the best way to discover the truth by yourslvies you must reach the light by the end of the dark tunel        it is ivitation to discover islam in pure state, please accept the chalange with yourself and you will thanks me latter regards
  15. Posted by Ebtihal
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    Ebtihal The Challenge,Why nobody answered me?! I told all of you that I challenge Geer Wilders to attach a full copy of the Quraan to his movie, and then we will see if it really calls for voilance or not. But i know he will never do, because he knows really well that he will lose his dirty battle if he does this.  Now Yanson, you are trying to change the subject to Hadith, I talk about the Quraan [a complete version], not just chosen incomplete sentences that are taken out of the context. Salaam  
  16. Posted by liz
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    liz Whether the muslims like it or not the Jews are God's chosen people.  Let me point out that Christianity is a personal relationship with God, that can only be reached through Jesus  Christ. It is not a religion.  In Christianity we are God's children and not God's slaves.   Jesus Christ is the Son of God.  Jesus said "I am the Way the Truth and the Light, no one comes to the Father than by Me.  Religion does not offer salvation or freedom but Jesus Christ said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.  Christianity is peace and love and forgiveness.  Read the Sermon on the Mount, in the Holy Bible. When Jesus was dying on the cross He said Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.  No one is born into Christianity.  It is a choice from a free will.  If a muslim converts to Christianity the Koran states that he is to be killed but if I decided to become a muslim or any other religion, Christianity does not condemn me to be killed. If one is a true Christian one can never convert to any other religion.  I challenge all muslims and non-muslims to read the Bible with an open mind, but, before pray to God that he will guide you.   If you really love God and is seeking Him, you will find Him.  Seek and you will find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you.  Jesus said there are two commandments :  Love God with your whole heart, and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and love thy neighbour as yourself (Matthew 22: 37 - 30).  Christianity gives me assurance of salvation. God loves every person, For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16  )  This peace.
  17. Posted by SARFARAZ
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    SARFARAZ What a BULLSHIT is showing.........this film totally deliver wrong information about muslim.......ISLAM is the only religion that does not allow to kill any  human being  inspite of any religion.......the clip about surah 8 deliver the message that if some enemy try to conquer you....than only you can fight with those enemy to protect yourself......I think person who shows such kind of clip in society must know the exact meaning other wise he doesn't have any right's to deliver a wrong message against any RELIGION.....
  18. Posted by Shiraz
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    Shiraz First of all i respect the freedom speech. but, no one have rights to hurt anyone`s feelings. Brain you are a real son of the bitch don't know anything about quran or hadith. You might be fucking bastard things you know everything. don't ever dare to say a word about our prophet. You are the people who creates extremist and make people to kill people. Islam always say`s to respect other people and respect there religions. Islam means peace and respect. As a Muslim i strongly oppose bombings and violations. that what runs in all Muslims minds. Just a reminder about Israel. Jews come to palestine because they know Muslims respect people and religions. if they didn't allow them to live there, there wont be Israel today. So, Hopefully I pray all the bullshit in the films does not create any more extrimists. Cheers any way for publishing the video.
  19. Posted by shakeel Dad khan
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    shakeel Dad khan The whole reason behind the dispute between ISlam and rest of religion is the lack of knowledge. Muslims are responsible as they have not introduced Islam to others. Neither they are follwoing Islam in properway nor they have introduced it others so misconceptions arise. Infact, Islam is the same religion which has come from the same source from other religions have come. Since starting all the messengers of all religions said in the last one messenger will come and the signs of that messenger is so and so which resemels to Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). If all come to knwo this fact dispute will be settled.
  20. Posted by aqib
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    aqib I definitely didnt felt any thing bad with this video when it comes to freedom of speech.. bcause geert has shown the real video scenes commited by some negative muslims driven by false misconclusion perceptions by some muslims from quran and they are known and happened things.. my point is when we people living happily in our homes coexisting with such cruel killings in some other parts of the world ... i mean we are learned to live with it .... so we should have guts to watch it or bare when some body raises such issue for discussion...FOR EXAMPLE:If ur are eating some MEAT for dinner and if u speak against killing of THAT ANIMAL for dinner and talking mercyly for ITS DEATH... how contridictory isnt it... IF UR EATING MEAT SO U SHOULD HAVE GUTS TO ACCEPT THE REALITY TO LIVE WITH IT OR STOP EATING OR OPPOSE KILLING OF IT OR ALTERNATIVELY FIND WAYS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM... MY STRAIGHT POINT IS IF THE KILLINGS SHOWN WERE FELT OFFENSIVE BY MULIMS THEN THEY SHOULD PUNISH THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID SUCH THING IN THE NAME OF RELIGION , INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING THEM OR BEING NEUTRAL... IF MUSLIMS WANT TO BE NEUTRAL OR SUPPORTIVE FOR SUCH THINGS THEN ACCEPT THE TRUTH EXPRESSED BY VIDEO FROM PEOPLE LIKE GEERT. IF NOT THEN OPPOSE UR FAULTY DRIVEN RELIGIOUS LEADERS TO STOP KILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE IF U HAVE GUTS TO DO SO .... ELSE FACE REALITY AND DISCUSS ISSUE WITH OTHERS TO SOLVE THE DIFFERENCES..... BUT REMOVING VIDEO IS NOT THE SOLUTION ..... IF REMOVING IS ANSWER IT DOEST TAKE FEW MINUTES TO UPLOAD IT BACK AGAIN.....SOOO YOU PEOPLE DECIDE WHO ARE GETTING OFFENDED ESPECIALLY MUSLIMS.... I AM NOT AGAINST ANY MUSLIM OR ANY RELIGION I LOVE ALL RELIGIONS AND ALL GOOD THINGS AND I PREFER TO DO MOST CONSCIOUS GOOD AND LEAST CONSCIOUS BAD .... TO FELLOW BEINGS....THANKS AND I OPPLOZISE TO ANY ONE IF I OFFEND THEM BUT .... ACCEPT REALITY TO DAEL WITH IT.
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    nospeedbumps.com » Blog Archive » EU Parliament Begins Banning Movies [...] movie is entitled Fitna and it is critical of Muslims. You can watch the film here. I have not seen it, but how bad can it be? I could search around the internet and finds thousands [...]
  22. Posted by Bill
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    Bill Shouldn`t we consider banning all religions. Let`s face it they have all commited and continue to commit "atrocities".....and when we`re at it let`s ban politicians because they must run a very close second!!!
  23. Posted by C Stanley
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    C Stanley Let's ban humans, Bill- that'll solve everything.
  24. Posted by Phil
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    Phil @liz i agree. You know what you are talking about
  25. Posted by Roger
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    Roger There’s nothing in this that Muslim extremists would disagree with. The question is how many Muslims support or sympathise with this ideology. It would be foolish to say we have a small problem here. Muslims ready to riot because of cartoons of Mohammed would have agreed with this film, so I can’t see why Wilders is banned, other for the British government to appear tough on “extremist from both sides”. Either way it has opened up a healthy debate which Muslims most of all should be having amogst themselves.
  26. Posted by James
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    James @Jock Herrer Are you afraid to go on busses and trains in Holland now? it just comes to show you that Geert is right! This religion inflicts terror on all of us and it means that at some point in time you will go against it or get crushed beneath it. The time is now.
  27. Posted by Bill
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    Bill Isn`t it a shame that in the 21st century we are still divided by religion!! We really haven`t advanced much in the last 2000yrs.I worked in the Middle East for 29yrs and am glad to say that some of my best friends are Muslim but I don`t think of them as "MUSLIM" I think of them as FRIENDS and that`s the problem today we look at people and think they`re Muslim they`re Christian they`re Chinese they`re American !!!!it goes on and on can`t we all just be people and live together in peace? What a naive thought huh!! Let`s hope that sometime in the future the words of Robert Burns will come true....... THEN LET US PRAY THAT COME IT MAY AS COME IT WILL FOR A` THAT THAT MAN TO MAN THE WORLD O`ER SHALL BROTHERS BE FOR A` THAT