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Geert Wilders – Dutch member of parliament – has finished his anti-Islam movie. He’s currently negotiating with Dutch networks; at this moment one gets the impression that most networks don’t want to broadcast the movie which became controversial before it was even made. Therefore, Wilders though; if left with no other option, I’ll put “Fitna” on the Internet. In order to do so, he has created a website: Fitnathemovie.com.

It seems clear that the language of the film is / will be English. If you head on over to Fitnathemovie.com now, all you’ll see is a dark background, a Qur’an and the words “Geert Wilders Presents: FITNA. Coming soon.”

He’s also preparing to host a press conference. During this press conference Wilders will show the movie to journalists… if no network agrees to air it that is.

Although I’ve got little to no sympathy and respect for Wilders, I have to say that Dutch networks are proving themselves to be cowards and overly political correct. I think that “Fitna” is insulting to Muslims, but I’m not 100% sure. How can anyone be sure after all; no one has seen it yet.

Whether one likes it or not, there’s a debate going about Islam. Is Islam peaceful? Is Islam violent? Is Islam whatever you want to make of it? That’s a very real debate, and silencing controversial voices will not help end this debate one bit.

Aside from that, the film is – again whether we like it or not – newsworthy. It’s a big deal, if only because the Dutch government, all too many Muslims, and the media have made it big.

As such, I’ll probably find “Fitna” movie insulting, but I think one should write about it nonetheless. If for nothing else than to disprove Wilders’ ‘arguments / to counter his negative views.

  1. Posted by mohamad
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    mohamad it is no point to explain since the christians will not believe in what we muslims believe. to all of you who purposedly create anything just to provoke and cause hatred and anger among muslims, go ahead until you feel satisfied. i just want to stress here the holy Koran came from Allah the Almighty. we muslims also very strongly hold on the Prophet traditions. both sources are true and sacred. it is not what actually the anti-islam christians propagate and preach. you will only know the truth if you are really sincere to learn this holy religion. i will stop here. do whatever you want to do. but think of the implications on you and the whole society.
  2. Posted by PatHMV
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    PatHMV mohamad, You do understand that Christians hold their beliefs about God just as strongly as you do about Allah, yes? Are you offended if I stress to you that the holy Bible came from God Almighty, and that we Christians very strongly hold the teachings of Jesus, the only Son of God? How about if I tell you that you will only know the truth if you are really sincere about accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior? The bottom line, mohamad, is that we must all live on this earth together. There are many different religions, and the followers of each religion are very sincere in their religious beliefs. In the West, we have learned, through very painful lessons, that it is better for everybody if we separate religion and government, if we allow people of all religions to be free and worship as they see fit. This includes letting the people of each religion say what they want to about the other religions, as long as they only speak, rather than resort to violence. It seems to me that even many "moderate" Muslims, who have no desire to blow anybody up, don't agree with those basic principles. Do you?
  3. Posted by reyhaneh
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    reyhaneh even among the christain we see terrorists. its not a good reason to blame islam that all of the terrorist are moslem. i have a question, are all of the american soldiers who are in Iraq, moslem?..ofcourse no they are christain so if they kill innicent children in Iraq should we make a movie and insult the Holly Jesus( peace be upon him)?.. in my view all of the people in all of the worl with any faith should have right to live and complain agianst any insult to their belives. im a moslem, but i have a great respect to Holly Jesus and to the christain, so the christain also shoul respect our believes. our fath, Islam want us to be kind to everyone , to respect them and to spread beauty in all over the world.
  4. Posted by PatHMV
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    PatHMV The problem, reyhaneh, is that Muslims seem to insist that others be FORCED to respect their beliefs. In the West, we usually believe that nobody should be forced to show respect to anybody by the government or by threat of violence. Most people in the West do respect Islam and Muslims. But you seem to want to blame everybody in the West, all Christians, just because we won't force people like Mr. Wilder to stop making movies that offend you. But you have to understand, we don't stop people from making movies that offend Christians, either. We believe that their is a difference between what people SHOULD do and what people can be FORCED to do by the government.
  5. Posted by MUSLIMAH
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    MUSLIMAH PatHMV Wilder is simply spreading lies about islam their belief and practices.......
  6. Posted by Sameer
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    Sameer I have no problem against the one who produced the movie and support it, however, I want to mention one important fact about religious all over the world, they are with no exception fanatic and base their faith on superstitions and at the same time they claim they are free people and advocate for virtue. I am quite confident that even the ones who have produced the movie are part of this group. I do agree with those who see the current Islam as a religion of violence, but I want to remind them that this is not because Islam is promoting for violence, it is the naive and the fragmented interpretation of Quran verses. Some Muslims in the Islamic world adopt this version of Islam. Again their understanding is based on dogma and faith (baseless). The same thing applies elsewhere and to other religions all over the world. The fact that the movie caused this big fuss in the Islamic world is because religious people (regardless of their religion) don’t accept criticism, because unconsciously they mix themselves with holy and sacral things. Again it is not the Islam to blame nor the Christianity  or the Judaism it is the religious people no matter what they do cover their ugly faces with resounding slogans like freedom of expression, pure faith,  and other slogans.
  7. Posted by PatHMV
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    PatHMV Muslimah... many Muslims do interpret the Koran as portrayed by Wilders, and when they do so, they actually KILL people. Do you complain to them and ask them to stop spreading lies about Islam and stop killing people? Have you gone to their web sites and condemned them for lying about the words of the Prophet? Have you complained to the imams in Saudi Arabia and in Iran and in Syria and Palestine who lie about the words of the Prophet in order to encourage young people to blow themselves up while killing innocent people? Again, in the West we don't respond to insults with violence or court action, usually. We believe people have a right to say what they think, even if we find it offensive, and even if we think it is lies. Our response is to criticize what they say, but not to threaten them with violence or fines of any sort. Do you agree with this? If a Muslim makes a movie which says that Jesus was not the son of God and quotes some of the violent parts of the Old Testament of the Bible, should the government be able to silence that Muslim? Should Christians attack that Muslim for insulting the Son of God?
  8. Posted by mohamad
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    mohamad we also believe in the original bible (in islam we call it injil), not your bible which already been modified since its revelation. even among of your many bibles, there are many contradictions and too many versions. we also believe in Jesus (in islam, we call him Isa), but we don't see him as the son of God as you christians believe. for muslims jesus is a human being like us except that he is the messenger and prophet to send God's revelation. God can stand by Himself, He doesn't need son or daughter or parents. He's the Almighty, so God is the only one. If you say Jesus is the son of God, it means that God is also like us, giving birth etc. it is totally not making sense.
  9. Posted by mohamad
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    mohamad seamus of course there is only one God. but the difference is the christians and jews do not believe that Muhammad (peace be upon Him) is one of the God's messengers. instead, we muslims must believe that Isa (jesus) and Moses as the God's messengers. if we do not believe in both of them, we will also be called the unbelievers. another thing we muslims must also believe in Injil (you call it bible) and Turah (jews book).  if we do not believe in both books, we are also called the unbelievers. instead, the christians and jews do not believe in the Koran. now you see the difference. about the Prophet Muhammad involved in war, that was because to defend themselves, their families, their land, and of course to protect Islam at that times. if you really study the islamic history, you will know the reason of the war. Muslims are actually prohibited from doing murders or killings. but, the enemies (at that time, the unbelievers) had threatened their life and initiated the attack, they had nothing to do except to fight back for defence and protection. (if you were at their place, what would you do?). during the war if you want to know, muslims cannot kill the oldfolks, women, children even they are the unbelievers. in addition, muslims cannot destroy the trees and other living things during the war. it is not like what is happening now in Palestine and Iraq, the christians soldiers from the US and the jews or zionists killed every body including the innocent oldfolks, women and children. i stop here.
  10. Posted by PatHMV
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    PatHMV Mohamad, I understand  all that you say, and I already knew it. My question is whether you are offended if I insist that Jesus IS the son of God, and if I say I do not believe that Mohammed was a prophet of God. Do you agree that I have a right to believe as I do, just as you have a right to believe as you do? Or do you think I should be stopped from saying that Mohammed was not a prophet of God? As for what is happening in Palestine, Israel, and Iraq, do you understand that people who call themselves Muslims are killing innocent women, oldfolks, and children? When a suicide bomber blows himself up in a crowded public square, do you agree that they violate Islam?
  11. Posted by PatHMV
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    PatHMV Also, Mohamad, do you understand that people calling themselves Muslims hide their men and weapons near women, children, and oldfolks so that if they are attacked by Americans, or the Iraqi Army, more innocent people will die? Does Islam allow warriors to hide behind women and children to try to prevent from being attacked?
  12. Posted by mohamad
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    mohamad you have your own choice to believe what you want to. i dont feel offended. why should i? that is why i gave before Koran says in the Chapter 109. we muslims will not cause harm and danger to other unbelievers so long as we are not threatened and deprived from our lives, religion, dignity and property. hope you understand that PatHMV.
  13. Michael van der Galien
    we muslims will not cause harm and danger to other unbelievers
    Christians and Jews are not unbelievers according to the Koran Mohamad. As for hiding behind women and children: it's a new 'development,' so to speak. Islam does not and has never allowed it. Same goes for suicide bombings. That was deemed suicide (and of course, hitting civilians, who are not allowed to be attacked), which is a tremendous sin (can't get into heaven). But the extremist 'scholars' of the 20th century found some loopholes and exploited them quite successfully. They've radically changed the teachings of the Koran, basically, yet ironically call themselves 'fundamentalists' / act as if they're doing what the early Muslims did and said.
  14. Posted by petvadee
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    petvadee "we muslims will not cause harm and danger to other unbelievers so long as we are not threatened and deprived from our lives"???? Your mosques are hurting non-muslim ears everyday. You said that 'no harm'. Those sounds are louder than welding machine, and keep advertising those harmful beliefs. Stop those sounds and then you can talk about 'no harm'.
  15. Posted by Seamus
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    Seamus Mohamad, Thank you very much for your answers. You are correct in that when I refer to the Koran and Mohammed I refer to them in a historical sense. My belief as a Christian tells me that Jesus was the son of God and that he came here to give a message that points to a new way of leading one's life. That message was one of love and understanding. He lived that message and ultimately gave his life to promote that. My reason for asking you about wars for Mohammed was that I was comparing how they (Jesus and Mohammed) lived their lives. Jesus was so committed to nonviolence that he gave his life for it. I know that, that is an ultimate aspiration for a mortal, but it does provide a guide for me to live my life. You seem to have many thoughts that are similiar to how I think, except you see them from a Muslim perspective. I am convinced that as we lead peaceful lives, I would see a man such as yourself in heaven, I believe that can happen even though we are from two different religions. The reason I believe that is that I know people can live good and decent lives even if they have never heard of Jesus or Mohammed. As to the other aspects of what is happening in Lebanon, and other countries, I do not know if we will agree, as I see these conflicts as an example of what we are saying about Muslims. Where I live in America we have quite a few families (Christian) who have come from Lebanon and they tell a different story than what you are saying. They came to America to escape the persecution that Muslims were doing to them. We also have Muslims here who came from muslim countries who came because they did not agree with how women were treated in the Muslim countries and how Sharia law was applied. That is my point, Muslims cannot be blind to the faults of their own religion. Right now, I would ask, why do Palestinians feel they have a right to Israel, when Israel had that land 600 years before Mohammed even came into being? Why would Muslims build a mosque on top of one of the holiest sites in Judaism if they respect other religions? In conclusion, countries must be run so that all are welcome to worship they way they like. That is a point I cannot concede. In countries like Holland, America, France etc. We are finding that our beliefs in freedom for all are being challenged by some Muslims who want to impose sharia law, and make it illegal to question Islam. That cannot happen, as faith cannot be a matter of compulsion, it must be a choice! One question for you: About 1/2 year ago two British journalists we captured in Gaza, and they were forced at gunpoint to "convert" to Islam, is that something you as a Muslim agree with? God Bless You Mohammad! as I enjoy these conversations.
  16. Posted by JudasPriest
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    JudasPriest Seamus, can you arrange a ticket for me in heaven, I did no wrong in terms of committing crimes and was a behaving citizen in my life, but did not believe in religions. Do you think I have a chance? or  your religions  condemn those who choose not to believe? There is no democracy in dogmas, i.e., religions.  When there is no democracy,  there no peace since there is no tolerance.  Before you answer ask yourself how you'd feel if my ticket would be awarded for after-life.  Do you feel hatred since I cheated by not worshipping five times a day or believing fairy tales such as the one that virgins can give birth to the son of God? Get the good ideas off these books but dont blindly believe to reject one for another due to different faiths or none would be my message to you, that way everthing will come easy to you I promise.
  17. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart I will qoute some verses from quran and explain them a little bit .....
  18. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart PROPHET Muhammad (P.B.U.H) in the Bible and Other Scriptures http://www.islamreligion.com/category/36/ <!---->
  19. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart The Quran on Wars And Aggression A number of people today view Submission (Islam in Arabic) as a hostile and aggressive religion. This stereotype has been sadly reinforced by the acts of terrorists and fanatics, who in no way represent what the religion truly stands for. They have hijacked the religion, and consequent media attention, for their own selfish and evil goals. Hence, the world opinion tends towards viewing Islam as a violent religion. People associate Islam with Saddam Hussein, suicide bombers, Osama bin Laden, and September 11th. Very few see it as a religion that forbids any kind of aggression, and permits fighting only in self-defense (Quran 2:190). Yet, this is what the truth is. The religion of Islam, described by God in the Quran stands for peace and tolerance. It does not condone or encourage terrorism. In the remainder i will address some of the common misconceptions about the Islamic and Quranic perspectives on war and peace. These misconceptions are fueled by some people who quote parts of a few Quranic verses out of context. It is unfortunate that rational open-minded folk accept these misquotations without examining the context of the passage they are written in. As with most other books, the Quran must be read as a whole. Taking a single verse—or a part of a verse—out of context, can naturally lead to incorrect conclusions. No religion of God is evil, rather the people who abuse the religion are.
  20. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart Aggression is Forbidden. Fighting is permitted only in self-defence.The Quranic verses on this are very clear. God repeats, "do not aggress", multiple times. Only if attacked, is one permitted to fight back. If the other party refrains from aggression and offers one peace, we are told to stop fighting. Rules of War*[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors. [2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers. [2:192] If they refrain, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful. [2:193] You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors. *2:190 All fighting is regulated by the basic rule in 60:8-9. Fighting is allowed strictly in self-defense, while aggression and oppression are strongly condemned throughout the Quran.[5:87] O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by GOD, and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. [4:90] ... if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them. The Quran also reminds the submitters (muslims in Arabic) that they should not be provoked by past animosity into committing acts of aggression (5:2). Additionally, God insists that submitters (muslims) must be absolutely sure before striking in the cause of God (4:94). Anyone who offers one peace, cannot be attacked.[4:94] O you who believe, if you strike in the cause of GOD, you shall be absolutely sure. Do not say to one who offers you peace, "You are not a believer," seeking the spoils of this world. For GOD possesses infinite spoils. Remember that you used to be like them, and GOD blessed you. Therefore, you shall be absolutely sure (before you strike). GOD is fully Cognizant of everything you do.
  21. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart Life is Sacred The killing of innocent civilians by suicide bombers and terrorists is strongly condemned in the Quran. Taking any life—except in the course of justice, is forbidden. Even so, capital punishment is discouraged. Thus, those who commit these horrible acts are clearly not muslims, rather very evil people who try to justify their hatred and actions using God's name (7:28). The Major Commandments [6:151] Say, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you: You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your parents. You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden. You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand." [17:33] You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped. [25:68] They never implore beside GOD any other god, nor do they kill anyone - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. Nor do they commit adultery. Those who commit these offenses will have to pay. [7:28] They commit a gross sin, then say, "We found our parents doing this, and GOD has commanded us to do it." Say, "GOD never advocates sin. Are you saying about GOD what you do not know
  22. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart Absolute Freedom to Believe / No compulsion in religionDoes Islam recommend or justify killing of disbelievers or those who decide to leave the religion? The answer is an emphatic "No". God makes it very clear in the Quran, that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). Free will is one of God's precious gifts to humanity, and human beings cannot take away what God gave man. If someone does not wish to believe, they are to be left alone and not forced in any manner. A submitter's (muslim) job is simply to invite people to God's religion with kind enlightenment (16:125). No Compulsion in Religion [2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient. Absolute Freedom of Religion [18:29] Proclaim: "This is the truth from your Lord," then whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve. We have prepared for the transgressors a fire that will completely surround them. When they scream for help, they will be given a liquid like concentrated acid that scalds the faces. What a miserable drink! What a miserable destiny! How to Spread God's Message [16:125] You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.
  23. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart Verses Relating To War-Time Situations that are AbusedThere are a number of people who will quote parts of verses out of context, either out of ignorance, or deliberately, to promote a false view of the religion. We present here some of the verses with their context that clearly show that these "violent" verses only relate to war situations. As mentioned before, all wars and fighting are only in self-defence. The verses are listed in a table format. In the left column is the verse or part of the verse that is commonly misquoted to try and show "Islam is a religion of violence". In the right column, the full verse / context is shown, making it clear that the "violence" is only in self-defence / in the time of war. Misquoted VerseSame Verse in Context[4:101] "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."[4:101] When you travel, during war, you commit no error by shortening your Contact Prayers (Salat), if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies.[8:12-13] ... I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. ...[8:12-13] Recall that your Lord inspired the angels: "I am with you; so support those who believed. I will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved. You may strike them above the necks, and you may strike even every finger." This is what they have justly incurred by fighting GOD and His messenger. For those who fight against GOD and His messenger, GOD's retribution is severe.*8:12-16 All wars are governed by the basic rule in 60:8-9. [9:5] "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."[9:4-5] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous. Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. ... [9:14] "Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ..."[9:13-14] Would you not fight people who violated their treaties, tried to banish the messenger, and they are the ones who started the war in the first place? Are you afraid of them? GOD is the One you are supposed to fear, if you are believers. You shall fight them, for GOD will punish them at your hands, humiliate them, grant you victory over them, and cool the chests of the believers. To summarize, the religion of Submission to God (Islam) as described in the Quran is a peaceful and tolerant one. The only situations where fighting is allowed is in self-defense. Aggression is always prohibited.Note: We would like to add that out of the 6,346 verses in the Quran, a very small percentage talk about "war". Islam being a practical religion does cover the legitimacy of fighting as well as when it is unjustified. The believers in the time of Muhammad had to face hostile opposition because of their religious views, and were in many cases forced to fight to save their lives. However, the bulk of the Quran, as the religion of Islam in general, focuses on worshipping God, leading a righteous life and attaining salvation in the Hereafter. We invite you to read the Quran for yourself to verify this.
  24. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart Verses Relating To War-Time Situations that are Abused There are a number of people who will quote parts of verses out of context, either out of ignorance, or deliberately, to promote a false view of the religion. We present here some of the verses with their context that clearly show that these ?violent? verses only relate to war situations. As mentioned before, all wars and fighting are only in self-defence. The verses are shown as Misquoted Verse Same Verse in Context   Misquoted Verse[4:101] ?? For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.? Same Verse in Context [4:101] When you travel, during war, you commit no error by shortening your Contact Prayers (Salat), if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies. Misquoted Verse [8:12-13] ... I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. ... Same Verse in Context [8:12-13] Recall that your Lord inspired the angels: ?I am with you; so support those who believed. I will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved. You may strike them above the necks, and you may strike even every finger.? This is what they have justly incurred by fighting GOD and His messenger. For those who fight against GOD and His messenger, GOD?s retribution is severe. *8:12-16 All wars are governed by the basic rule in 60:8-9.   Misquoted Verse [9:5] ?? fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ...? Same Verse in Context [9:4-5] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous. Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. ... Misquoted Verse [9:14] ?Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ...? Same Verse in Context [9:13-14] Would you not fight people who violated their treaties, tried to banish the messenger, and they are the ones who started the war in the first place? Are you afraid of them? GOD is the One you are supposed to fear, if you are believers. You shall fight them, for GOD will punish them at your hands, humiliate them, grant you victory over them, and cool the chests of the believers.
  25. Posted by Seamus
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    Seamus Judas Priest, by the way one of my favorite groups from my youth!  Yours would seem to be any easy question to answer.  I do not feel cheated because you didn't follow the dogmas of any religion.  I'm not very eloquent most of the time, but I was trying to say, I could very well imagine that for me as a Christian, there are people who have never heard of Jesus.  I also believe God made them.  Under my beliefs, God made them so they are welcome in the afterlife as well.  You who choose not to believe, and if as you say, you are leading an upright life that has not transgressed the boundaries that define our laws, well that is half the picture.  The other half is: have you tried to help your fellow man?  Have you basically tried to do good for others, while not doing harm?  In those circumstances I like your chances of getting into heaven, but I am not the gatekeeper and I am also not to judge you! (especially here on Earth) ( I also might say that by description I might already be describing you following Gods will, but maybe for you it's happening subconsciously).   If you're asking would I vouch for you in front of God, under those circumstances yes I would, but then I really don't presume to say that I carry any weight with God. I am always curious though, why when you choose not to believe, you seek to denegrate others who believe, by referring to their beliefs as Fairy Tales and the like?  There are many things that cannot be explained, that is where the definition of Faith comes in. Good questions, and I can tell you you would get very different answers from other Christians and other religions.
  26. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart well islam is a complete religion .....though i am not a scholor of islam when people will  ask me questions about islam i will try to answer them a bit......i am sure generally islam has answers to all questions answers i know islam can.... In the Qur'an, stories about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (called 'Isa in Arabic) are abundant. The Qur'an recalls his miraculous birth, his teachings, the miracles he performed by God's permission, and his life as a respected prophet of God. The Qur'an also repeatedly reminds that Jesus was a human prophet sent by God, not part of God Himself. For more detailed information about what Muslims believe about Jesus, please visit the FAQ index page. Below are some direct quotations from the Qur'an regarding his life and teachings. "Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'" (3:45-48). "He [Jesus] said: 'I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me revelation and made me a prophet; He has made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!' Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is" (19:30-35). "When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: 'Now I have come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which you dispute. Therefore, fear God and obey me. God, He is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him -- this is a Straight Way.' But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement. So woe to the wrongdoers, from the penalty of a Grievous Day!" (43:63-65) "And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117). "Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!" (5:75).
  27. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart  It is sad that many Christians do not know that Jesus, peace be upon him, holds a very high position within Islam. Unlike ortho- dox Judaism, Islam considers Jesus to be the promised Messiah, a word from God, born of the Virgin Mary to bring a new covenant to the people of Israel.! Nevertheless, the Qur'an, the only book in Islam, leaves no room to accept concepts developed by Church theologians after the departure of Jesus, such as thesonship of Jesus (accepted at the Council of Nicaea on May 20, 325) or the idea of adding the Holy Spirit as the "third head" for God (developed as the concept of the Trinity in the Constantinopolitan Creed of 381).In fact both concepts (the sonship of Jesus and the Trinity) tend to negate many clear verses in the old and new testament.. For example:
    Hear, 0 Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4)
    ....that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside Me there is rio sav- ior. (Isaiah 43:10-11) And Jesus answered him: The first of an the commandments is: Hear, 0 Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. (Mark 12:29) . . . We know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that. there is none other God but one. (I Corinthians 8:4) Given these verses, one should be careful 11ot to take the verse in John 1: I literally because it could easily have been mis- translated from the Aramaic into the Greek and should read "and the word was God's. It should be noted here that in the Greek language {bees is God while theeu means God's (see any Greek dictionary or see the book Muhammad in the Bible by Professor Abdul Ahad Dawud, former bishop of Uramiah, p. 16). On more logical grounds, insisting that Jesus is God or son of God as the main article of faith reduces We 'natural' human instinct to believe in a Creater (it is 'natural' because every human being feels that anything that is organized must have an organizer) from believing in an absolute Greater of the universe who is felt naturally into having to believe in a given historical event that is limited in both time and space.
  28. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart you can visit this site for knowing more about jesus in islam http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_801_850/death_of_jesus_in_quran.htm http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_801_850/death_of_jesus_in_quran.htm http://www.jesusinquran.com/birth.html and there are many reference in the quran about  jesus.....just showed you some of them.
  29. Posted by Salman Al-Farisi
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    Salman Al-Farisi Not all muslim likes what that film has sohwn to us,and i think there are many conspirasion  in the film.May someone or some group who  we don't know what they are,want devided us.I know that Islam told us to love our friends,it doesn't matter what is their religion,country,skin,etc. As a Muslim I know that when King from Abbysina give his hand to help Muslim people who want to go a head from Makkah.Heraklius the King Of Rome ever says that Muhammad and Islam Will bring peace to this world.
  30. Posted by petvadee
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    petvadee no peace brought by mohamed, he brought hate, everyday mosques forcefully torture non-muslim ears. It is not loving others or peace. Stop those torturing sounds first, then you can talk about islam without violence and evil.
  31. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart Mr petvadee islam was a religion of peace, it is a religion of peace and will be a religion of peace ,it is just because of people created by you like geert wilders , taliban, osama , saddam etc..... to spoil islam and change its ideology or change its purpose but let me tel you some thing you cant even harm islam even a bit....the people who try to spoil islam no matter who he is weather he is A JEW, A CHRISTIAN, OSAMA BIN LADEN , TALIBAN OR EVEN A MUSLIM HIM SELF ( a true muslim will never do that ) will be spoiled himself as islam IS NOT PROTECTED by US, RUSSIA , AISA OR guns, media, nuclear missile or by muslims or by any thing in this world..IT IS protected by none other than creator of this world ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY (god)…
  32. Posted by Braveheart
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    Braveheart http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/05/31/international/i150408D26.DTL&hw=catholic&sn=001&sc=1000 http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/2406253/detail.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4537346.stm is this what is happening in your churches ..by seeing this anyoone will say christians holybook teaches them rong paths or shows them the rong path......THERE ARE LOTS OF THING IF I SEE AND IF I START BELIEVEING IN THEM then jews and christians are all terrorists……i will never make an opnion weather good or bad about any religion untill and unless i learn and study about them personally then i think i can make opnions about them good or bad i cannot judge any religion by refering the media, nowadays people i mean most of the people treat media as “MESSAGE OF GOD” and make their opnions regarding religions through media i dont think its right…….
  33. Posted by petvadee
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    petvadee I am talking about those noisy sounds from mosques. Those sounds torturing non-muslim ears every day. That means islam makes violence everyday. You stop those sounds first and then you can talk about no violence and evil in islam
  34. Posted by Muslim Girl (Egypt)
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    Muslim Girl (Egypt) In the name of ALLAH the most Gracious, the most Merciful.... i'm amuslim girl proud 4 being muslim, it's a great blessing from ALLAH 4 being a muslim . we defend & protect our prophet Muhamed coz we love him & believe him till death, also if u really love ur religion & respect ur prophet u must defend & protect him ,but unfortunatley u didn't believe in anything in ur life , just live 2 live wizout any target .when i hear the insulted movies about (jesus prophet) i felt so sorrow coz no one from u defend him ,but u just say it's freedom of speech,so u all christain just by name !!!!! we don't hate anyone ,we believe in Christianity &judaism , also if u continue 2 insult our prophet we willn't insult ur prophet or ur religion coz we believe in the holy of religions but, it's our right 2 defend & protect our prophet forever by convince  not by violence............. peace be upon all...salam al2kom
  35. Posted by mohamad
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    mohamad petvadee if u understand the meanings of the sounds from the mosques, u will like to hear it forever and ever...dont be so arrogant to the God's calling..u will be happy in this world but you will suffer in the hereafter...carry on with your curse on Islam, but we will not curse your religion..
  36. Posted by mohamad
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    mohamad seamus   don't simply believe what people told us. instead we have to study, investigate, clarify, justify and look for proof before we can make a conclusion about anything whether it is true or wrong.  i dont want to comment anymore, because it is endless. anyway, i like the way u voice out your opinions, not like some of those who are emotional and blindly cursing other religion.
  37. Posted by petvadee
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    petvadee ou can see now that you yourself are ignoring other people (non-muslim) HUMAN RIGHT to live better without tortured by those noisy sounds from mosques. Torturing people is violence and evil that's why mohammed only brought violence and evil to this world. I believe, if a welding machine is beside your house five time a day crying, you will be feel tortured on the violence and evil sound of the machine.
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