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Thanks to Michael for the nice introduction, and more importantly, for allowing me the opportunity to regularly share my thoughts and musings here at The Van Der Galiën Gazette

Kind of like Michael and Turkey, I have developed a mixed fascination with the Islamic Republic of Iran.  I’ve touched upon the current state of affairs there pretty frequently on my own blog, and have tried my darnedest to debunk arguments that reject the totalitarian tendencies of the regime. 

Well, I believe that Amir Taheri’s piece in today’s NY Post only confirms the worst of my reservations, while raising an important point about the coverage of the repression going on there.  Taheri argues that the foreign correspondents for the major media outlets have stood in silence, obfuscating the fact that this government has quietly downplayed civil unrest, while secretly arresting close to a million people in the last four months.  Union organizers, journalists, teachers and students have all been gobbled up by the government, and Taheri wonders why the media continues to carry the water for Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs:

In Tehran, hundreds gathered near the home of Mansour Osanloo, the imprisoned leader of the capital’s transit workers, with a simple message: We are not afraid! The authorities had organized a military operation to cordon off the streets leading to the house – but couldn’t prevent union members from assembling. The day ended with the arrest of at least 15 workers’ leaders.

Meanwhile, in factories and workshops in and around the capital, workers organized peaceful hour-long “solidarity pauses,” defying a ban imposed by the authorities. Several other major cities saw similar demonstrations, including Ahvaz, Arak, Sanandaj, Shiraz and Tabriz.

Everywhere, the protesters took care to keep their actions within the law. Yet the authorities kept any mention of Thursday’s events out of the official media.

That the mullahs should treat this as “not news” is no surprise. For years, they have pretended to be working on behalf of Iran’s poorest working masses – but now the mask is falling. It is precisely those poorest working masses that present the regime with its biggest challenge. What is surprising is that much of the global media should also regard this bad news for the mullahs as no news.

According to the Ministry of Islamic Orientation and Culture in Tehran, 117 registered foreign media correspondents work in Iran. Yet (except for a stringer for a Japanese news agency who appeared at a demonstration in a car factory near Tehran) none paid attention to the workers’ day of solidarity.

Osanloo’s lawyers phoned the offices of more than a dozen Western news agencies and radio and TV networks in Tehran in the hope of persuading them to cover the events – with no results.

Inside Iran, some see global conspiracy to keep international opinion in the dark about what is really happening in the Islamic Republic. They ask: Why is it that world media representatives in Iran never interview any of the thousands of trade unionists, teachers’ leaders, journalists, student activists, women’s-lib militants and dissident intellectuals? Why is the brutal repression in several provinces, which has already claimed scores of lives, never covered on the spot?

 I don’t believe Taheri is entirely fair on the media here, and as even he concedes, the Iranian government would ultimately blacklist any media outlet that gives them unfavorable coverage.  It’s sadly the Google/China argument-do you prefer filtered news, or no news at all?

However, Taheri has a point when it comes to the editorial boards of these news outlets.  While any private media agency’s goal may ultimately come down to as much access as possible, a more principled stance may in fact be somewhere in-between silence and insurrection.  When does covering the story you’ve been spoon-fed take a back seat to solidarity with your fellow journalists?  If all of the free press reporting from Iran banded together, and spoke openly about the wrongs being perpetrated there, would it not paint the government into a proverbial corner?   

Some have criticized supposedly “liberal hawks” such as myself of rattling the sabre on Iran, all for the sake of some semi-fanciful “war narrative” with the country.  But if Iranian critics such as me are merely carrying the water for Dick Cheney and the dreaded NeoCons, than whom exactly do these skeptics take their marching orders from?  Some bloggers, loosely regarded as progressive, have gone to great lengths to dismiss the “Iranian problem.”  Couple this with the MSM’s virtual silence, despite assaults upon their journalistic brethren, and one has to wonder if the isolationists are inadvertently covering for the mullahs and their maniacal president.
 

  1. Posted by hass
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    hass Taheri is a famous liar who promoted the false claim that Iranian authorities were making Jews wear yellow stars. The Iranian dissidents themselves have repeatedly argued against hawkish policies on Iran - which only harm them and their cause.
  2. Posted by Alan
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    Alan I wonder if this is part of the notorious tendency of Americans not to care about what happens in other parts of the world. I sometimes listen to BBC World on NPR and I often hear stories that haven't been in the American press. Could this just be American isolationism?
  3. Posted by C Stanley
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    C Stanley Welcome, Kevin. I look forward to reading more of your posts. When I read this one, I was about to warn you that you'll probably get comments about Taheri's credibility but I see someone already shot the messenger before I got here. I've quoted him in comments at The Moderate Voice in the past and had the same reaction from other commenters. I guess it's easier to attack his credibility rather than actually consider what he has to say. I'm quite sure that the commenters that do this have an intimate knowledge of the situation on the ground in Iran so that they are well qualified to judge the validity of this information. /snark
  4. Posted by Kevin
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    Kevin Yeah, it's the very definition of straw-man, IMHO. 1. Is repression going on in Iran? 2. Is media censorship going on? 3. Is the West sufficiently covering this, and why or why not? These are my concerns, not whether or not the over-zealous author has messed up or not in the past. Inaccurate reporting in the MSM?? NEVER! The credibility of the NYT, WaPo, and just about every other media outlet has been called into question at some point, does that prevent you from digesting their material? And Alan, I think that may be a fair point. I think Americans are also just genuinely tired of the Middle East, of war and the WOT in general. You certainly can't blame anyone for this, we're in year five of a frustrating war.
  5. Posted by Kevin
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    Kevin How's AJ Strata doing these days, Ken? Clearly if the United States, the greatest example of free market liberalism and democracy the world has seen to date, is financing the activities of LABOR organizers, journalists and feminists in totalitarian Iran...well this must be a bad thing! :Rollyeyesinmyheadface What happened to American Liberalism? MvdG: deleted Hoop's comment and banned him. Stalkers are not welcome.
  6. Posted by mikkel
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    mikkel I am sick of the "it's an attack on the messenger to point out he was wrong repeatedly" POV. I'm tired of people that are consistently wrong getting press. Look, if you are wrong, you should explain why you were wrong and how you are going to try to avoid it in the future. Taheri doesn't do that. He just makes claim after claim (how you doing Supreme Leader) and when it doesn't pan out blames his anonymous sources. Which he obviously keeps using. (And don't get me started on all the anonymous sources about war intelligence that the press quotes.) Let's say he is right about this. Who cares? In fact, I have read many things that are exactly along the lines of what he's talking about written by locals and people in neighboring countries. It's also been talked about in Salon. If someone is wrong and doesn't explain why or how they are going to fix it (and this goes for the press too) then they should be not be paid attention to directly. If they are saying interesting things, then go to alternate local sources or analysts and see if they corroborate it. If so, then those sources are the ones that should be given attention (as long as it they don't mind) with a hattip to Taheri. Psychologists say that you have to make good on three promises to a person to make up for every time you break one. Personally, Taheri owes me 9 correct stories before I'll trust him at all. This is one, so there are eight left before I'd think about quoting him.
  7. Posted by Jason Steck
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    Jason Steck
    I am sick of the “it’s an attack on the messenger to point out he was wrong repeatedly” POV.
    Well, I'm sick of the notion that pointing out that someone was wrong in the past is a way to avoid substantively dealing with ALL of their arguments in the future. In winds up creating a situation where literally ZERO arguments on certain issues (i.e. foreign policy) get discussed substantively because EVERY argument gets diverted into a dumb labeling contest about "neocons". So instead of trying to characterize the messenger in ANY way, why not just deal with the arguments? Do you really think that their personal credibility (the "appeal to authority") is the only thing underlying the arguments? Why not just deal with logic and evidence and leave persons out of it? Or is that just too hard?
  8. Posted by mikkel
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    mikkel Jason, did you not read "If they are saying interesting things, then go to alternate local sources or analysts and see if they corroborate it?" Obviously that's not avoiding the arguments. If a "neocon" goes and gives an opinion that I find interesting, then I go see what the foreign security experts and "realists" think about it. Most of the time they are like "this won't work, because our contacts in Saudi Arabia or Jordan say such and such." They are talking to people on the ground that I can't talk to, so yes, an appeal to authority is not always bad. It's the exact same in science. If a scientist is constantly wrong, you no longer listen to that scientist unless you have special expertise to weigh whether they are correct on a particular issue. If you see something interesting then you go to that expert and say "now I know this person was wrong before, but is this good" and see what they say. You never dismiss completely anything that someone says just because they are saying it, but when someone deserves no trust there is no point in trying to analyze it from the outside, because you don't have knowledge whether what they are saying is correct, and any logical conclusion means nothing. That's when you "appeal to authority" to see if their facts are right. Trying to make all these wild logical deductions without that is Cartesian, where everything makes logical sense but his particular examples had no basis in reality. (This is something that many people don't understand, there's a difference between logical and rational. You can have perfect logic and be utterly irrational because your axioms are wrong...THIS is what the neocons are experts at.) In this instance, Taheri is absolutely right about his facts as far as I know (which I said) but that's because I've read it from other sources that I trust more. At that point, you can argue about opinion and guess what -- most of those people who live there don't want to be seen as getting American help. In this particular case it looks like he does, so we should make light of it.
    Today's action day has been called by the ITF (International Transport Workers' Federation) as the latest tactic in its campaign to defend Osanloo and his fellow bus drivers. It is being supported by the ITUC (International Trade Union Confederation), Amnesty International and unions and union organisations worldwide. Protests have today taken place or are shortly to take place in Algeria, Australia, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Canada, Egypt, France, Germany, Great Britain, Iran, Indonesia, Finland, Japan, Jordan, Malaysia, Morocco, Nepal, Netherlands, Norway, Pakistan, Palestine, Panama, Romania, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Tunisia, Trinidad, the USA and Yemen.
    They should be the ones trying to get the message out, and quoted. That's all I'm saying.
  9. Posted by Kevin
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    Kevin For the record, on the point of the yellow stars, Taheri was running with a story that was in fact true. The Majlis had indeed deliberated over a law that would identify Iranians by religion. Taheri of course went too far, drew the Nazi parallel, and thus failing Godwin's Law. However, this is a regime that routinely targets itsown citizens for their dress, sexual orientation and the things they say. Female police officers patrol the streets, making sure women wear a chador of appropriate length. THIS should be the conversation, but instead we get bogged down in this nonsense. I think this is a big problem in general with the progressive blogosphere.
  10. Posted by Jason Steck
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    Jason Steck
    Jason, did you not read “If they are saying interesting things, then go to alternate local sources or analysts and see if they corroborate it?”
    As the enforcers of Required Thought have made clear for a long time, anyone that agrees with a "neocon" about anything is themselves a "neocon" and therefore non-credible. As such, there are no "alternative sources" that could ever "corroborate" anything.
  11. Posted by C Stanley
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    C Stanley I think the problem is that Mikkel is a thinking progressive so he doesn't have those dismissive attitudes, but he doesn't seem to get that we're complaining about the legions of people that do have those attitudes, not him.
  12. Posted by mikkel
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    mikkel "THIS should be the conversation, but instead we get bogged down in this nonsense." It's not nonsense. Listening to all these people and not paying attention at all to the people that spent decades studying the region or the locals or history has gotten us into this mess. Iran executes gays for being gay. They beat women for "inappropriate dress." They hang women that get raped and want justice. No one is denying this. On the other hand, they have an extremely large cosmopolitan citizenry. There is massive amounts of internal strife between the urban and rural areas that the religious fundamentalists take advantage of. The people are fiercely proud and want to be a global power again. Every side wants the atomic bomb. None of them are pro-American. It's a battle between liberal, nationalist forces and Islamic ones. I watched a documentary where they were interviewing a lot of Iranians unofficially. They told the story about how in one of the first student uprisings, they arrested the leader and told him to stop them but he wouldn't. So they beat him and threatened his family and he still wouldn't. So they told him that Americans had taken advantage and invaded and he immediately called it off and said that the students should have solidarity with the government (they just edited out his references to the supposed "invasion"). Even in Lebanon, we are having a hard time helping them. What we should be having, instead of the "oh these people are bad" arguments are ones that try to educate on what they actual people of those countries are thinking and saying. Debating how much assistance to give if they ask, and in what ways. Figuring out how to balance national interests with supporting democracy, since in the Middle East they are going to be mutually exclusive much of the time. Taheri has the tired line about democracy saving the country. Well I really do hope that they become free, but when they do and when they reform their economy, they'll become more of a geopolitical problem than they already are (from our perspective).
  13. Posted by mikkel
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    mikkel Haha CS I operate under the general assumption that 95% of people have problems regardless of identity. I think as many atheists are "stupid" as religious people and as many "liberals" as "conservatives" or "moderates." What irks me is when people that are seemingly in the 5% spend most of their time scolding others (or trying to remain "objective") instead of finding each other. Who do I listen to that's a neocon? Zalmay Khalilzad and Francis Fukuyama. I don't even agree with Khalilzad about many things, but at least he understands (and works) diplomacy, seeing that reconciling opposing interests in the short term is necessary for dramatic transformation in the long. His views are also very measured. Oh I should note that I find all the current rhetoric to be exactly like it was towards the Soviet Bloc. Yet when the USSR disappeared, we didn't help the countries develop the institutions even though they wanted them. Now that several of the countries are finally liberal democracies, we are still basically ignoring them, instead of building strong alliances. There isn't much reward for having a difficult form of government if the West ignores them once they are actually free.
  14. Posted by Kevin Sullivan
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    Kevin Sullivan I think you make great points, mikkel. I admire a lot about Iran, and I think they actually already have the foundation and strong institutions for a vibrant democracy...but they're not there yet. However, you are wrong when you say nobody is denying the repression there. Certainly, it's hard to dispute what your eyes tell you when men are being paraded around with urinal cans strapped around their heads. But there is an effort in the so-called progressive blogosphere, or the netroots, or whatever the heck you want to call it, to downplay these happenings. Some (and I feel no need to name names and pick fights here) have argued that these are not the actions of a totalitarian regime, because Ahmadinejad doesn't really "run the country," which is a moot point and a pedantic argument. It has also been said that this can't be an entirely bad regime, because they are allowed to protest and publicly curse the mullahs (disregarding the fact that those protest organizers are arrested weeks later, usually on spurious charges). And silence screams in volumes. For example, just a cursory glance at memeorandum will show that the so-called progressives have a lot to say about the Revolutionary Guard being labeled as a terrorist group. These same critics had little to say a few weeks ago, when protesters were being publicly shamed, lest they face a beating at the hands of masked Iranian officers. During the unrest and gas station fires a few weeks ago, some bloggers went out of their way to dismiss it as nothing. It's not that it truly was a grand revolution, but their eagerness to dismiss any and all upheaval in Iran is a cause for concern, in my opinion.
  15. Posted by Alan
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    Alan
    As the enforcers of Required Thought have made clear for a long time, anyone that agrees with a “neocon” about anything is themselves a “neocon” and therefore non-credible.
    I agree, there are those who are that rigid and dogmatic. But mikkel has a point, you do have to consider the messenger as well as the message. In this post-modern era we know that everyone has some biases (conscious or unconcious) and that it influences all that they do and believe.
  16. Posted by Jason Steck
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    Jason Steck
    Yet when the USSR disappeared, we didn’t help the countries develop the institutions even though they wanted them. Now that several of the countries are finally liberal democracies, we are still basically ignoring them, instead of building strong alliances.
    This is just factually untrue. The Partnership for Peace -- a NATO institution-building project largely initiated, funded, and supported by the United States -- has been the centerpiece of post-Cold War strategy from the very beginning. And the Polish, Czech, and Hungarian constitutions were written with extensive consultation provided by U.S. academics funded by the U.S. government. As a result of U.S. institution-building, eastern european states of the former Soviet bloc have been among the U.S.' strongest and most consistent allies in the world.
  17. Posted by Jason Steck
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    Jason Steck
    But mikkel has a point, you do have to consider the messenger as well as the message. In this post-modern era we know that everyone has some biases (conscious or unconcious) and that it influences all that they do and believe.
    Perhaps it is necessary to take the source into account in evaluating an argument (especially in situations where self-interest might be in play) but most people on comment threads seem to start AND stop with evaluating the source. Further, their evaluation of the source uses criteria that are so trivial and tautological (i.e. "anyone that disagrees with me must be a neocon"), that it has become insanely frustrating to try to swim through that to get to ANY substantive discussions on ANY foreign policy issue.
  18. Posted by Jason Steck
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    Jason Steck
    But there is an effort in the so-called progressive blogosphere, or the netroots, or whatever the heck you want to call it, to downplay these happenings.
    This is indeed the problem. Just today, over on TMV, one of the most prolific "progressive" commenters blew off the post about Iran by dismissing it as "just another beating on the drums of war". This is, unfortunately, quite common as the first and last response to all posts about foreign policy that identify any villains other than the United States. I'm fairly certain that, if given a noose and forced to make a choice whether to hang Bush or Ahmedinejad, most of the so-called "progressive blogosphere" would instantly and without reservations choose the former. I think the same would go for a forced choice between Bush and Bin Laden, too.
  19. Posted by mikkel
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    mikkel OK Kevin, yes some people are trying to rationalize stuff away. But I think there is a very good reason for most of that. A very valid criticism of American Liberalism by the traditional conservatives is that it was always obsessed with meddling. If there was a problem, by God we'll fix it. That has now spread to American Conservatism as well. Well, actually it was always there, it's just was more through non-governmental organizations. Now it's fully through the government too. There is an implicit assumption by everyone (which is true because everyone does this) that by admitting there is a problem, it means that action will have to be taken. You're immoral if you let it go free! So the reason why most of the progressive netroots is trying to downplay Iran is because they have no idea how to fix it. There is one suggestion of how to fix it, and they don't support it, so they try to ignore it. (This is also why the conservatives have done a terrible job with some of our pressing needs like health care reform.) I really wish there were more people that recognized that inaction is sometimes the best action, but didn't take that as dogma either. In our current situation, everyone needs their own treatise that will fix every aspect of a problem...and get criticized if they recommend small improvements but say that for the most part we'll have to wait and see.
  20. Posted by mikkel
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    mikkel Jason on 16: Yes you are technically right. You are right for pointing out my hyperbole. I should have said from a public perception viewpoint, that we aren't really helping them. After the Orange revolution and other ones, I read an article about NGOs that were tearing their hair out about how they were getting so little support in helping the new institutional setup. On the state level, we help them a lot...but helping them get strong local setups are often ignored. The facade is there but the foundation is not. (I've heard similar things from the people I work with from Albania and surrounding areas.)
  21. Posted by Alan
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    Alan
    it has become insanely frustrating to try to swim through that to get to ANY substantive discussions on ANY foreign policy issue.
    I don't see things being that bad. Sure you're not just having a bad day? Are the students acting up? (if they're like Michael then I can understand ;) )
  22. Posted by C Stanley
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    C Stanley I can certainly understand Jason's frustration because the reception he gets at TMV is nothing short of harassment. From my perspective, Jason's statement about how far this attitude prevails is hyperbole (and I'm guessing he meant it that way, particularly the part about hanging Bush) but I can't blame him for his frustration. I do think Mikkel nails it on people wanting to not face up to problems which they cannot solve. Also, to some degree I'd say that the people who are asking them to face up to the problem sometimes make false assumptions about the people on the opposing side. Not talking about a problem is often not the same as not believing it's a problem- and sometimes when one argues against a particular solution one is inappropriately labelled as someone who doesn't care about the problem. I find this has occurred ad nauseum by the liberal/progressives toward conservatives (and when acting as real conservatives, the arguments generally are against policy proposals because that's sort of the default position, to do no harm and to only institute changes that have some evidence that they'll work). Of course on Iraq, Iran, and the neocon foreign policy, the tables are turned and that's why you now find conservatives making the same assumptions about those who oppose their hawkish views- and sometimes those assumptions are correct (if the person arguing doesn't have a clear understanding of the need for a solution) and sometimes they are incorrect (if the person sees the problem but doesn't agree with the hawkish solution).
  23. Posted by Jason Steck
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    Jason Steck I probably should not assume that the same ilk that pass for "progressives" among the commenters on TMV is the same as those "progressives" who might comment here.
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  25. Posted by C Stanley
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    C Stanley My thoughts exactly, Jason. Michael is quite a bit less tolerant of that crap, which encourages thoughtful progressives to actually show up and have discussions (and see, guys, I've twice now used that phrased and resisted the urge to describe it as a potential oxymoron!)
  26. Posted by Kevin
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    Kevin mikkel, I don't think you and I are too far apart on this. I do not want war with Iran, but I do subscribe to a big stick foreign policy. This doesn't mean you bomb every country like a lunatic, but it does mean that you keep all tactical options on the table...and make sure the Iranian regime is aware of it. Democrats like Obama and Clinton even seem to agree with this, but the far Left is less willing. Progressives love to talk about how we should be negotiating with our enemies directly, just like we did with the Soviets. But these same critics forget that there was always a mutually assumed understanding that they could in fact HARM each other. Iran is not a the point yet where they pose a great threat to us, despite what Dick Cheney says. But I disagree with you on one point--Inaction is not an option. A nuclear regime that can threaten our allies and cause a middle eastern arms race, one that allows religious fervor to seep into every aspect of life should not be allowed to have this weaponry. And to be fair to the genuine hawks, you're wrong about the options being presented. For example, the rumored move announced last night to label the Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization was in fact an alternative measure, assumed to be from the "Rice wing" of the administration. This would enable us to go through the UN, level sanctions, and attempt to hurt Iran economically. Another idea, this one coming from the Right via Newt, is to bomb the largest gas refinery in the country, and then put a naval embargo on the nation. More aggressive, but certainly not full-scale invasion. As far as I can tell, the so-called progressives reject all of these ideas. And as for Liberals being a bunch of Wilsonian meddlers--well, guilty as charged. ;)
  27. Posted by Alan
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    Alan Jason- LOL! Does that mean I can look forward to 9 more years of misery? I don't think I'm having a mid-life crisis; I haven't gotten a motorcycle or plastic surgery yet ;) (am converting to Catholicism, but I don't think that's age-related).
    encourages thoughtful progressives to actually show up and have discussions (and see, guys, I’ve twice now used that phrased and resisted the urge to describe it as a potential oxymoron!)
    Ha ha....granny! ;)
  28. Posted by mvdg
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    mvdg And I would like to keep it like that as well. That is why we have a very strict comment policy. Behave like you would behave if you were a guest in my house, cross the line and i will ask you to leave.
  29. Posted by C Stanley
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    C Stanley
    am converting to Catholicism, but I don’t think that’s age-related
    Really, Alan? Cool!
  30. Posted by mvdg
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    mvdg Really, Alan? Pity! No, seriously - I might actually consider doing that as well. I find Catholicism to be quite beautiful.
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